PvP Incentives

[Spayed]

ok where to start,

something definetly needs to be done about the buddy and alt nebs.

i definetly agree that production should be at least halved when in a neb.

if u destroy 100% of the fleet i agree that you should def get a reward, but it should be a very good reward and also depend on the power destroyed.

i dont really think gold bonuses should be given away. thats how emi makes money and you should not be able to earn that cheaply.

i definetly think nebs should be harder to get, it should go on ship cost not power. or we a greatly increaced power ratio

i also like the idea of increased bonus for the more attacks done. but i dont think they should be removed untill the ships are sold.

[Jan`go Vhett]

Maybe power for ships should be calculated based on actual damage and hitpoints?
That would almost certainly kill p-ships which would in turn make buddy nebbing fairly expensive.

[Spayed]

would also kill tinys..

[Jan`go Vhett]

Believe me, not a bad thing
Its time people learned real pvp skills instead of exploiting having 100 times more cash than the person they attack.

[SirEmi]

but sir emi, before we talk about pvp incventives could you bring more pvp into the game.. fix the alt nebbing thing... then lets talk about incentives

What we want to do is improve the nebula system while also adding incentives for not staying in nebula but being more active in PvP, so doing two things in one.

A good suggestion with halving production of the secret base while in nebula.

I think the worker credits production should stop, as the workers will be on strike since your mothership cant reach them and give orders while you're in the nebula.

So they will basically start stealing the production and interest while you're hiding in the nebula, like they where doing in Wars There will be a similar message when accessing the secret base while in the nebula, e.g. "While hiding in the nebula, your workers are on strike and steal all production / interest!"

[Spayed]

jango i guarantee that i dont neeb tinys to kill anybody.. but seeing as i always have 100x more cash they anyone and they happen to be the only way i can attack.. now it does take alot of skill to get the money required to use tinys, and anybody that says they are a noob attack method is just stupid...


 

[Jan`go Vhett]

Well Spayed I got a suggestion for ya.
Start a training alliance and teach some others how to make that much money.
Then you can have some competition and maybe have some fun too.

Really I think half the problem with how inactive the servers are getting is attitudes like yours.
The whole 'Well the only way I can attack people and have fun is by using tinies' is complete bullshit.
Try thinking of it from others perspective.
You take off so far ahead of them then attack them and wipe everything they have out giving them absolutely 0 chance of hitting you back.
Can't say I blame them for buddy nebbing and/or quitting.
If you are really as good as you so often claim either teach others or hold yourself back so you can play while giving others a chance.

[Saturn 7]

Emi... one problem with your comment about another way to afford a gold account by finishing in the top 10......... Hardly anyone new can gain a top 10...... and even then it would only be 7th - 10th, that would only get them $10, not enough for a Gold account.
One thought I've had is to have a Silver account.. half the price of a Gold account with maybe a third of the benefits. Matbe only 10% ship resupply discount, or just give them the ship cloning facility.
Presently the same people gain the top 10 positions, giving them a head start for each new round, as a result they are more than likely to finish in top 10 again. (I'm not saying affiliate donations is the only thing getting people top 10's before Spayed gives me some Aussie grief!!

[TNTTony]

Well Spayed I got a suggestion for ya.
Start a training alliance and teach some others how to make that much money.
Then you can have some competition and maybe have some fun too.

Really I think half the problem with how inactive the servers are getting is attitudes like yours.
The whole 'Well the only way I can attack people and have fun is by using tinies' is complete bullshit.
Try thinking of it from others perspective.
You take off so far ahead of them then attack them and wipe everything they have out giving them absolutely 0 chance of hitting you back.
Can't say I blame them for buddy nebbing and/or quitting.
If you are really as good as you so often claim either teach others or hold yourself back so you can play while giving others a chance.

Hey mate,

I don't want to start or interrupt a thread about the use of tinies or peoples attitude to this game. I have been involved in discussions like this in the past and it never get anywhere. People argue back and forth until someone closes the thread. 

I respect your opinion though and I agree to some degree that the inactivity can be partly blamed by the fact that it is possible to totally wipe someone from the game. If you wipe their ships and wipe their planet, it is hard for a player to get back up. To be completely honest, there are several ways of ensuring that the ships can not be wiped out by tinies or by normal attacks. However, tinies are quite deadly if used correctly and with the right amount of money.

In regards to training, we have trained many people in the past several rounds. Just because you don't see a specific training alliance does not mean that we don't train people up. So far this round we have trained up two people and I personally have helped several people from loki and arch angels and have told them the secret to our success. I had to spend an hour convincing Baltic to use mission contracts since that was the best way to get money at the start.

In previous rounds we have all trained new people. Personally, what I have found is that some people don't get it. You tell them everything you did and they either don't believe you and accuse you of cheating (i.e. Baltic) or they try it and not patient enough to do it.

So we have definitely trained a lot of people and have told a lot more people about our secrets to success. It's no secret. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Personally speaking, if we can all come up with good PVP ideas I would not mind having tinies nerfed or removed. however the ideas must allow more PVP

[Jan`go Vhett]

I was not saying tinies aren't deadly merely that it just gives the people you use them on virtually no chance to counter.
As for training people, that is very good to hear.

Still being as good as you and Spayed are I would think it would be possible to hold yourselves back and have some real fun instead of shooting off ahead of everyone then complaining there is no-one to attack and that Emi needs to fix something for you.

Also if you hadn't used tinies on people they probably would not have started the buddy-nebbing cause they would have had a chance to hit you back and most likely welcome it.

[Spayed]

i am holding back... havent upgraded in over a week...

people have every chance in the world 2 hit me, im never in a neb.

and as tony said we have trained many people whether in or out of the alliance, me and cammy trained tony... we trained soul and obs fully marined and kenn are new this round, as answer questions in mail and in chat.. we started the official training alliance... what more do u want us 2 do??

[Jan`go Vhett]

I apologize for all I said earlier I was quite tired when I posted it and you complaining about tinies being killed kinda set me off.
I really hate tinies if you haven't picked up on that yet.

Just a quick question now.
Whats your lead?
My guess would be a nice tiny fleet, you know one virtually impossible for anyone not in your alliance to kill.

Also when I say hold yourself back I mean something like 30-60 in rankings, you'll have plenty of people to attack then.
Also I think if you played a round but didn't win on purpose, it might inspire some players cause all of a sudden they would see they beat you, a guy generally recognized as one of the best, and get a decent confidence boost out of it.
Its not like you need to win to prove anything or even for the affiliate credits either right?

One last thing play on Wars.
We need more people and, as long as you leave tinies alone, we would welcome the competition.

[Spayed]

the people ranked 30-60 have less power then i had after the first week.

well i can buy a 50 quad lead with no worries or build a tiny fleet not even my alliance members can kill.

hmm ill consider wars

mite give me a lil challenge

[FTP]

The problem is not them being way to good, the problem is that nobody is active and nobody is any good. I'm still top 60 with an account level of 3 and an encryption level of 2. I have not build a space station, mining facility or planet..... hell I wouldnt even know how to do so. I have less credits then you can get from a mining facility in a day and still I'm top 60.

[Spayed]

exactly. we aren't any better then most of the other vets that used 2 play. everyone else just sucks these days