trying understand defense.

[Drackin]

im trying to understand defense better. from what i gather defense protects 5 times the amount of total defense of your ship. this means that if you have 1 defense it will protect for 5 points of damage. now if im right, HP protects 1 times the amount of HP so with 1 HP you are protected from 1 damage. now if defense costs 10 times more than HP with only 5 times the protection what makes it worth using? it would have to be either 5 times the price of HP or 10 times the protection just to make it the same as HP. so what bit of info am i missing here?

[waylain16]

ok i have no idea what the hell that is above me but i do know one thing, is that all the big ship builders and everyone i have talked to, is the defense is a waste of money and space, use it for something bigger and better. Defense = WASTE OF EVERYTHING

[Drackin]

no offense but if you dont know anything about it you probably should not respond to it.. im only asking about defense cause the last update was supposed to make defense worth using again. and since its been worthless for soooo long, i dont know really anything about it. plus i also am wondering  if defense effects marines and what the ratio is for that if anyone knows.

[jessiedog]

defence is added up for the entire fleet

if u have 10 ships in 1 fleet with 500 def each, and a fleet attacking that with 4999 attack (after accuracy), then u wont lose any of those 10 ships. another great thing about def is that it renews after ever fleet engages.

if that 1 fleet goes up against 10 fleets each with 4999 attack, u still wont lose a single ship.

dont forget to use absorb

you probably already knew all of this, but heres the better part.

before the defence is hit by the attacking fleet, the absorb factors in. if u have 80% absorb on ur fleet, than it effectively has 25X the shown defence. 5 times for the absorb, 5 times for the last update, and if u have a swarm bonus, u get between 2-6X more defence actually shown.

depending on the situation, defence can actually be very effective.

[FTP]

The best thing about defence is for swarmers as it will as jessie said stack up for all your ships. And your crew bonus will make your defence go up.

Defence costs 50x as much as Health (500 to 10) so its still 10x as expensive as HP.

And dont forget because you can add a defence bonus% you can make defence somewhat cheaper as if you make a 100 mill costing swarmers you can easily get a bonus to it.

[Drackin]

so defense is still mostly worthless in single fleets then?.. and is there any particular ratio of def to hp that you use in your swarmers?

[KenquinnTheInsaneOne]

so defense is still mostly worthless in single fleets then?.. and is there any particular ratio of def to hp that you use in your swarmers?

Mine use a 1 : 1 ratio as you'll get at least 11x normal HPs from the swarm mod. Of course my defense swamers don't have any real field experience so it's purely based on statistics.

[lostedchylde]

im trying to understand defense better. from what i gather defense protects 5 times the amount of total defense of your ship. this means that if you have 1 defense it will protect for 5 points of damage. now if im right, HP protects 1 times the amount of HP so with 1 HP you are protected from 1 damage. now if defense costs 10 times more than HP with only 5 times the protection what makes it worth using? it would have to be either 5 times the price of HP or 10 times the protection just to make it the same as HP. so what bit of info am i missing here?

your not really missing anything. the only reason to buy defense is for swarmers because if the total damage is LESS than the total defense, you lose no ships, where as with hit points you do lose some. if you don grasp this just forget about defense and don use it.