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« on: May 05, 2006, 11:01:16 AM »

ok, for those who want help with swarmers, first off, right now it may not be to good an idea, as swarm bonus, necessary to make a good swarmer, has been cut down drastically.  so if you want a good design, you will have to make it larger then average, as in I suggest nothing less then 500 space.

1: every credit counts.  make sure that no system costs more then 10 credits max, 1 is best.

2: don't forget accuracy.  keeping it at 1% may look good on it's base attack, but it makes it next to worthless in actual combat, especially against well designed ships.

3: defense, defense, defense.  unlike superships, which use extremely high HP to take no losses, the only way to take no losses with swarmers is defense.  the reason is that the defense is taken as a group fleet defense, or the defense times how many ships you have, and no damage at all will be taken unless the enemy does more damage then that fleet defense.  thois defense is further helped by it increasing from swarm bonus.

4: sheilds, optional, but helpful.  sheilds can help a lot, but will also make it much more costly, making it unpractical for VERY small ships (like less then 10k credits ships) however, if you are making relativiely large swarmers, such as I have advised, it is good to put in 2-3 sheilds to help lessen damage further.  but make sure it is off of excess resources, not the main thing of the ship. IE: even 99% Sheild won't help at all if you can only withstand 100 damage.

there you go, everything else you will have to figure out on your own 1
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2006, 01:39:26 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2006, 09:18:24 PM »

Woot! I've started a trend. ^_^

Anyways, swarmers are meant to be used in bulk, big bulk, remember that.
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2006, 11:13:48 PM »

This is why being a moderator is fun. You get to mess with the boards and confuse people when you move or sticky/desticky topics!!!!
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2006, 09:20:55 PM »

i just got hundreds of thousands of swarmers...in one fleet,
is that a big enough of bulk, or do i need to keepo builing
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2006, 07:23:38 AM »

Depends on how much space it has. You want to get the max swarm bonus. Post the amount of space, and ars will be able to tell you if you need more (not exactly how much, but a good guess.)
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2006, 01:51:52 PM »

How about... 23?
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2006, 06:20:11 PM »

35k
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2006, 07:05:44 PM »

Well, looks like FTP knows the swarm bonus formula too, lol.
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2006, 02:38:57 AM »

Nope I have no idear but a ship of 22 hull had I thoughed 36k 16
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2006, 11:35:16 AM »

Ah, ok. Well, more of an idea then me, lol.
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2006, 05:48:01 PM »

well, the thing about swarmers is this: you are going for a good overall FLEET, rather then a good single ship.  since the more swarmers you have the better your fleet, you want to get as many as possible. 

also, here is your choice, both can be viable options.

HP: using mostly HP will mean much mroe chance of your fleet over all surviving, but not without large losses every time. 

Defense: using mostly Defense means it is possible that your fleet can take 0 damage, hence 0 losses.  however, IF the enemy breaks through the defense, it will mean VERY high, if not total, losses of your fleet.
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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2006, 12:08:46 PM »

hp goes up very quickly thanks to swarm bonus though
i've used a 60k hp swarmer and once it reached 5000 ships in the fleet, it had over 420k hp
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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2006, 08:02:54 PM »

i modified the vindicator design so it had a decent defense and hp balance. it did take 2 more space, but it was worth it. now even if my fleet;s defence is destoryed, its got the hp as a cushion to prevent most losses
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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2006, 10:49:05 PM »

Does anyone know the equation for calculating swarm bonus? Or even a rough estimate?
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