Possible Abuse in mechanics of SO Main

[TNTTony]

Even with buddy-nebbing banned there are ways i know and will use to stay as untouchable as i can. There is no other choice for me since most of the powerful players are gathered in one alliance. I have perfected the techniques while being in LOI and WOS alliances in the low ranks as Kryo Midnight cammy and Nighty were fighting Wolfy, and i had to take the heat from all wolfy's alliance buddyes, and their allies. I had to perfect those while i was in AE and LOESC and the elites attacked me and 0'ed me constantly.

Each round i played i was hit hard but never 0'ed and learned to outlive most people. I don't care about buddy nebbing banned since i don't need buddyes to get nebbed. I just need nebula to exist.

Well then why didn't you use the non-buddy/non-alt neb as your main way to neb? Why did you have to rely on buddy neb? You just given us your resume it seems and that is why players like myself are astonished by players such as yourself. You have been playing for ages...and yet your ONLY strategy is to rely on buddy and alt nebs?

Now you all speak from the position of dominance. What if the roles were reversed, and some really nerved players would gather and you would be the underdogs? What would you do having no nebula to protect you, and having planets and space stations wiped in less than 24 hours each day?

  Again, I'm amazed that such a player who have played for so long don't understand. WE WANT NEBS. EVERYONE WANT NEBS. But we want the MAJORITY of it to be "proper". We attack people, we expect nebs. Remember Joe...and how you forget... that fender was constantly attacking spayed and myself this round. I had  "planets and space stations wiped in less than 24 hours each day" too!!   Unlike you we did not rely constantly on buddy or alt neb. We grew by other means and unlike you we helped pretty much everyone (including YOU) by attacking other loki members. How did you help your members? How did you help the galaxy?

What upsets you is that i have chosen not to waste turns and resources to fight a already lost battle against you and defy you by chasing the goal to win. And i was closer to be first than you could ever imagine. I was 75 quads short of maxing and out of turns some hours before tony maxed.
Yes, you lost turns and credits to attack all other challengers and i did not... your goal was to break me, my goal was to win the game despite you. What's wrong with that?

Wrong again Joe and yet again I am amazed you don't understand. You fought a battle and lost and instead of thinking of ways to survive and  counter attack...you hid in buddy and alt nebs. Yes you were close to first...but what did you do for nemesis? Did you fight loki? Did you protect nemesis fleets. Nope...you waited until people had high fp and grew on thair cotails. No honour in that.

However, if changes are not made, if i would have been in your position i would have known ways to hurt you all even in nebula. But that will remain my trade secret for the rounds i will choose to play that way.

Don't make me laugh. In one paragraph you say you havbe learnt to hide well and being 0ed constantly. In your alliance chat, you say you a simmer. And now the man who is no 2 wants to fight...but oh wait "But that will remain my trade secret for the rounds i will choose to play that way." Riiiiight.

You have invested in planets, i have lost my planet and chosen not to do-it anymore because there was no way i could have defended them. That left me turns, credits and cp's to use in a different manner.
And you are not such great warriors as you say, because this round since you could not beat fender you joined him... Bully people into your alliance if you feel threatened... join and 0 anyone that does not comply, that's a really positive attitude, and fair fight technique.

Actually Joe. It was fenders idea to create a new alliance. Everyone in the alliance was hand chosen and friends. Please don't tell lies Joe.

However i was accused of exploiting... and i have proven with logs there was no exploiting required.
My hat off for MJ who survived to the tops and even battled you.

Sigh. Entire loki alt and buddy neb...just like you. We got chat transcripts to prove it.

The whole point here is that i managed to get into the top, with 0 donations except the gold account, but using skill and hard work. Ban me for daring.. i have proven my point for all other players.

No skill...hard work - yes...but no skill.
Its easy to hide in neb and grind...then sell and wait.

And yes you have proven that another way to win is to buddy/alt neb.

Congrats mate. You should be proud.

[The-Joe]

hving spys in there alliance all round gives us proof that they did it..

You mean alts... like noob_buster or Person who sells themself for money

You may have multiple accounts only on those circumstances:
   You do _not_ use your accounts to help one single account.
   You may _not_ finance a lower power account with a higher power one in order to do damage to lower people using the higher account resources   
   You do _not_ use your multiple accounts to attack one single target. Your accounts may _not_ help each other in any way. You have to play each account as a single entity to ensure the fair play as opposed to your fellow commanders.The multiple accounts should not be used in any way in that would have any connection with another account of the same person.  This includes taking advantage of the superior power of a higher account to help or facilitate an action of a lower account or otherwise.

Using alts to SPY is not exactly alt abuse? Is the definition of playing fair and square...
On the issue but not regarding spayed, I once bought 6 X 250 turn item on the market... Wonder who exactly was feeding who... or feeding his own account... I bet he was pretty upset.

you decieved us and managed to max much quicker then i thought you would

I am guilty as hell with that... I should have stated openly my strategy, so you can counter-it. Shame on me!

Helping my alliance was really difficult as i barely kept myself in the game. I cannot see any way i could have helped them this round since there was no way to take you all down. The best help was always sharing info and strategy counseling, for whoever asked and whoever needed.

Too all dedicated attackers... my final statement:
Next round i will leave my mains in the open, with no marines, no nebula, no powerships so you can have your unrestricted fun. I will not sell them, because that may be exploiting the interests... Oh, and i will take also their weapons down so you will be able to attack free of any risks and have a blast. Rest assured i will not challenge you next round, i am afraid of being banned if i dare. I am sorry but i cannot build mining station without a space station so you will have to grow to kill them. And i will not grind because that's exploiting underage aliens (it would be against the Universal Declaration of Aliens Rights).

Have-it your way, ban everyone that dares to reach the top without your majestic permission and without prior notice.
There is no way or sense to ban or punish buddy nebbing because people with multiple accounts in multiple alliances can do self nebbing and simulate wars.

I have proven i was not immune at all, in any way. I have lost planets, space stations, and ships 100% filled with marines, and that's not being immune. And one or two nebbings by buddies is not buddy-nebing systematically. I have plenty of nebula from your alliance, and from players i do not know who's alts they are. Funny thing... some of them scouted me... maybe the intell obtained from their alts in my alliance were not accurate enough, so they needed alts to scout me so they know exactly what i have, with no counter risk.

Say what you want and close this. SirEmi should decide.

[Saturn 7]

P.S My current neb isnt a buddy one, in fact I never heard of who hit me!

[TNTTony]

This is getting a bit out of hand.
First Joe:

Too all dedicated attackers... my final statement:
Next round i will leave my mains in the open, with no marines, no nebula, no powerships so you can have your unrestricted fun. I will not sell them, because that may be exploiting the interests... Oh, and i will take also their weapons down so you will be able to attack free of any risks and have a blast. Rest assured i will not challenge you next round, i am afraid of being banned if i dare. I am sorry but i cannot build mining station without a space station so you will have to grow to kill them. And i will not grind because that's exploiting underage aliens (it would be against the Universal Declaration of Aliens Rights).

Are you serious? You know we don't want this. This sounds like a child who just got told off for watching too much tv and so the child says "I'll never watch tv again!". Its too extreme. Go ahead and grind and do your buddy neb. Just don't over do it with the buddy/alt neb that is all we ask. And if start to lose, just come up with other strats that does not involve constant buddy neb.'

Everyone knows there are serious problems with the game in regards to pvp, planets etc. In fact if you look at the many threads, the pvpers are the one that agrees with protection for newbies. Obviously these needs to be ironed out but believe it or not we are  not against you and the simmers. You make it out like we are some ugly bad people and that is wrong.

Using alts to SPY is not exactly alt abuse? Is the definition of playing fair and square...
On the issue but not regarding spayed, I once bought 6 X 250 turn item on the market... Wonder who exactly was feeding who... or feeding his own account... I bet he was pretty upset.

The spy in loki was a different separate player...and noob buster or Person who sells themself for money was already known to saturn, your leader. You didn't have any info that we could use on you anyway for goodness sakes. In fact...and I know you would never ever admit this Joe Roe..but Person who sells themself for money actually HELPED your alliance with alot of good strategies and tips. I say again Don't tell lies joe.

Thread closed. Lets get over this and play the game instead of this back and forth swipe.