Simon Templar
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« on: December 10, 2008, 08:16:55 PM » |
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I thought that using multiple / duplicate accounts for personal gain - like to keep launching attacks on the same players is against game rules?
Otherwise players can start creating duplicate / bodyguard accounts and keep bashing / bullying other players....
I represent a few players, and we would like to lodge a report against monkey™(#39433) who is also known as A^Bloody^Idiot(#8752).
Both of them are the same person who has been using both the accounts to launch multiple / grudge attacks as well as to bully and threaten players....when 1 account is out of range, he will use the other account to attack....
Isn't it the same as using duplicate accounts for selfish / personal gain?
As for what proof I have that they are the same player?
I have 2 threatening messages in my inbox from him. 2 threatening messages from different accounts but are
making the same request as well as identifying him as the same person....
He has also been bullying other players, launching multiple attacks using his multiple accounts and sending them threatening messages....
The 2 messages I have in my inbox are below - it is obvious that they are one and the same player....
"monkey™(#39433)
2008-12-09 07:06:11
WAR
as i am the leader of earthlings i am to do my best to keeppeople from using out logo and i see that you have dishonnored out logo by changing the backround of it and a thius is the one and only alliance witch is allowed to use earthlings logo by copyright and so we have delcaired war aganst all milky way alliance members hope it was worth it while it lasts
A^Bloody^Idiot(#8752)
2008-12-09 16:04:45
Attacks
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A^Bloody^Idiot(#8752) made a successful attack and StargateSG1(#105113) lost 1.098.000 fleet power.
A^Bloody^Idiot(#8752) made a successful attack and Cig(#105687) lost 14.589.308 fleet power.
A^Bloody^Idiot(#8752) made a successful attack and _Nightdagger(#105522) 15.395.910 fleet power.
The reason why I attack your alliance is 'cus of the simple fact that you stole the logo of the alliance which I created, I demand that you take another logo without that Earth with rings in it!
Otherwise the attacks will continue...
I am talking about the logo of the Earthlings, they originally had it, and you just gave it a different background, change it or face the conciquences..."
We long since changed our logo, yet he still keeps using his mutiple accounts to attack, bully and threaten players. We strongly believe that this is using multiple accounts for personal gain. And it is against Fair Play. Otherwise we can all have Bodyguard accounts to launch multiple attacks and bully other players....
We have confidence that the Games Admin believe and uphold Fair Play in the game and will look into this. A reply is much appreciated....
Thank you
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2008, 08:38:58 PM » |
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Just to clarify, is monkey and a bloody idiot currently in the same alliance?
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Simon Templar
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2008, 09:27:37 PM » |
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The last we saw no....monkey is the leader of the alliance
While the last time we checked, bloody idiot was not in any alliance....not sure as of now...
Very sneaky of him, but if he had kept his mouth shut we would never have realized the connection between the two - or rather they are the same person using duplicate accounts to bodyguard himself and bully / threaten players....
It was his messages that gave him away - similar messages / threats from 2 different accounts...
We then compared notes among us and realised that he has been doing multiple attacks on us...
And I have kept those 2 messages in my game mail inbox as evidence...
"Bodyguard" accounts are not allowed right? It goes against Fair Play doesn't it? Otherwise we will have players with multiple / bodyguard accounts launching repeated attacks / retaliations....
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2008, 09:50:06 PM » |
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Well...you did steal their logo. So it makes sense that multiple people from that alliance would be pissed. So you kind of brought this on yourselves. As to whether or not they are the same person, I can't say for sure, but the messages don't sound alike other than the topic, which as I said before, you brought upon yourselves.
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2008, 10:18:22 PM » |
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2 seperate issues here blakranger51....and actually only 1...
1) The issue here ain't about using someone else's alliance logo. If you read our very first posting, we said that we changed the logo a long time ago, so that issue is moot. And if you read Bloody Idiot's message that we posted, he did say that the attacks will stop when the logo is changed....yet the attacks & threatening messages still continue...
Anyway, that's besides the point....
The point is this...
2) If you read our very first post carefully, we are NOT complaining about mutliple attacks from members of that alliance. In fact, NONE of the members have attacked us. Just their leader monkey & bloody idiot who ( the last ime we saw ) wasn't in any alliance at all...
And from bloody idiot's message - which we posted - he clearly states it is his logo as he "created" it...
So we're NOT talking about attacks from other alliance members, I am talking about repeated attacks from the SAME player using multiple accounts....
That I feel is against Fair Play...
We would never have known the connection between the two if not for the 2 messages which I first posted earlier on...
So our issue once again is - you mean it's ok to have MULTIPLE / BODYGUARD ACCOUNTS where the player can threaten, bully, launch repeated attacks / retaliations etc?
That doesn't sound fair....but if it's ok in this game then please say so...then I'm sure a lot of us will know what to do....
Anyway, thank you blakranger51 for your time and insights....
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2008, 10:48:45 PM » |
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Ok, first off, ABI is now a G-unit member.
Secondly, neither account was BENIFITINGthe other from those attacks, he did not use one to finance or boost the other's power, merely to hit you, that IS allowed, as it is playing as two seperate accounts.
Thirdly, those messages do not "implicate" that they are the same person. The only connection is they are both attacking you, and that one is the LEADER of the alliance, and the other is the CREATOR, which is a difference. Example, I lead g-unit but am not it's creator.
Fortha and finally, ABI can keep attacking you guys if he wishes, there is nOTHING saying he has to honor what he said about stopping once the logo was changed. maybe he felt you took to long, or maybe he just doesn't like you.
And what aBI and monkey are doing to you is an age old tactic from the old days of SO called Team bashing. Two or more alliance mates, or even friends, will team up and attack the same few people and destroy everything they have, crippling them much more than any one player could on thier own. This tactic was widely used to knock out entire alliances for 3 to 4 days minimum back then.
So to answer your question in short form, as long as your main or alt accounts are not benifiting ANY of your other accounts, no ToS are being broken.
Also, I'm reasonably certain monkey is NOT ABI. ABI was an old g-unit member, and i don't ever recall him making that account, though I can't say for sure.
Also, there is no "Fair Play" rules, just ToS. This is a cutthroat game, you either stay within ToS and kick butt or perish. We're not here to hold your hand, learn to PvP right and defend well or lose all your ships.
and PS, a LOT of the players on SO have alts, you jsut don't know it. I can almost promise you that you have at least 1 or 2 alts in your alliance, especially if you have a lot of alliance members.
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2008, 11:21:25 PM » |
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I can say i dont think that ABI and monkey are the same person so this is mute
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2008, 01:23:00 AM » |
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Back when before SO WARS started I ( insert laughter here ) remember ABI starting earthlings but I also remember him passing the monkey account and leadership of earthlings alliance to someone else.
nothing wrong here that I can see
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2008, 03:44:13 AM » |
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Yep, before you accuse anyone, you need conclusive proof that its an alt attack- and the Pm IMHO shows that ABI is NOT same person-otherwise why would he send you two threat messages? And secondly even IF he was the same person as monkey, then to call it an alt abuse, you will need to show us two attacks by his accounts on ONE PLAYER within 24 hours of each other. Only then its abuse.
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Simon Templar
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2008, 05:26:12 AM » |
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Hm...ok then....thanx for all the inputs and insights....I appreciate the replies...
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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2008, 07:42:27 AM » |
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Hm...ok then....thanx for all the inputs and insights....I appreciate the replies...
Yeah unfortunately in this game, its hard to prove whether a person has abused alts... |
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2008, 01:06:38 PM » |
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On the other hand, keep your eyes peeled, and if you get more evidence, post it and we'll review it again.
Until then it looks like this topic has been discussed enough.
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2008, 11:47:03 PM » |
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they arent the same person.. this topic is senseless
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2008, 11:26:57 PM » |
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try to be nice cameron, he only said he THOUGHT they might be, and wanted clarification on what wasn't allowed via the ToS. He got his answers. No need to be rude about it.
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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2008, 03:48:15 AM » |
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I represent a few players, and we would like to lodge a report against monkey™(#39433) who is also known as A^Bloody^Idiot(#8752).
Both of them are the same person who has been using both the accounts to launch multiple / grudge attacks as well as to bully and threaten players....when 1 account is out of range, he will use the other account to attack....
yeah right., he was just asking questions |
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