All the Formulas I Currently Know

[Sostesteg]

THes are all of the formulas I know... I came up with all of them except for the powercore formula... Let me know what you think.  The variable weight shield and computer formulas have a margin of error and should be round to the nearest multiple of 33, dance around the area ther formula produces and you'll find it pretty quickly.

-Computers: ((170666x2^ACU-10+8166)-(333.33333333x(Weight-8))1.000003908= Energy       This only works for weight 8 and 10+.  In between is a turbulent confusing area I would have to make a chart for.  So if the weight is greater than or equal to 10 subtract 716 before multiplying by 1.000003908.

-Shields: ((((8533x2^ABS-20)+(7833-(333.333333333x(W-14)1.000003908= Energy      Shields also have a turbulent area between 8 and 14 so if the weight of the shield is equal to 8 use (W-8) in the equation instead of (W-14) and if the weight is greater than or equal to 14 subtract 1189 before multiplying by 1.000003908.

-Armor: (Weightx66.67-1067).99995028= HP   Yay!  The simplest one!

-Power Core: Weightx400-5279= Energy    For everyone who doesn't know it yet

-Sostesteg
   -Synchronized Empire on SO
   -Zum Garon on SO WARS

[Cameron07]

i have a powercore formula i use and like better.. its a bit diff

[Chronos]

Hum, well, it has been generally established that each component that takes energy has an optimal weight when put in superships.

When that is the case, all of the equations typically collapse into simple binomial equations.

[Sostesteg]

Hum, well, it has been generally established that each component that takes energy has an optimal weight when put in superships.

I found that all the equations collaspse into really cheap up until a weight of about 40 and up... some even getting down to 1 credit.  But the larger the weight gets the smaller this price well gets until it only has one energy value cheaper than 1000 which isn't nearly as cheap as 1-3 credits.  And yes...  each weight constant has a simpler equation...  You can simply use (8533x2^ABS-20+7833)1.000003908= Energy for shields if the weight is 8 and (170666x2^ACU-10+8166)1.000003908= Energy if that is the case for computers.

i have a powercore formula i use and like better.. its a bit diff

For power cores if you know the energy output you want you can use this equation:
(Energy+5279)/400= Weight

[Cameron07]

hmm i use (space-13) x 400 - 79 = eng

[Sostesteg]

if you use the distributive property on that you get Spacex400-5200-79=Energy.  If you simplify that you end up with Spacex400-5279= Energy which is what I posted

[Cameron07]

meh i figured it was something close to the same, i just never took the time to look at it

[Chronos]

Hum, well, it has been generally established that each component that takes energy has an optimal weight when put in superships.

I found that all the equations collaspse into really cheap up until a weight of about 40 and up... some even getting down to 1 credit.  But the larger the weight gets the smaller this price well gets until it only has one energy value cheaper than 1000 which isn't nearly as cheap as 1-3 credits.

If you use a set weight, then you can always adjust the energy consumption to bring the cost back to a range of 1-3 credits, roughly. Due to the weight-to-energy compensation, there is a set optimal weight for every energy consuming component on a supership.

[Sostesteg]

Alright Chronos to prove my point I've made this table:

Weight     Energy     ACU     Price   Relative Price
40           43687499  +18%   3        18030666
40           10919499  +16%   3        93768
40           167499     +10%   3        78666
26           342833     +11%   1        148124
15           2735833   +14%   1        1135654
12           91499      +9%     3        42694
8             87389499 +19%   3        36052461

As you can see there is no real optimum weight... I chose these wieght and ACU values at complete random.

[Chronos]

You err. You forgot to incorporate the effective cost of the energy and weight.

Where does weight come from? The hull. Where does the hull get its weight from? Credits.

Where does energy come from? The powercore. Where does the powercore get its energy from? Weight, which comes from the hull, which gets it from credits.

Every particular production from every component that takes energy has the same optimum point, respectively, at which weight stops being as useful in the component as it is when converted to energy.

[Sostesteg]

Oh... I see what you mean now... I've made another chart...  All of them have +10%

Weight    Power   ACU   Relative  Price
40          167499 +10%    78663
30          170833 .......     78498
20          174166 .......     78168
18          174833 .......     76848
15          175833 .......     78003
12          176833 .......     78003
8            178866 .......     78168

I think this is surprising... there is an optimum price range, it does NOT include 8 as a lot of people thought... It runs from 12 to 16.  In fact a weight of 8 is just as efficient as a weight of 20.   I think we've found the real optimum weight range for computers 

[Chronos]

What optimum weight you get depends on what formulae you use. I have not played in years, so I would probably not be the best person to ask. If you did find a better optimum weight, that would be interesting.

And I am not saying that your formulae are bad, just that their full form is not always needed.

[Sostesteg]

Ya... well they work... That would be very nice if 12 was the actually the optimum weight.

[deezee66]

Ya... well they work... That would be very nice if 12 was the actually the optimum weight.

The main reason to stick with weight 8 is to leave more space for your power core reducing the cost and if you use weight 12 your power core is going to cost more running up the final price of your ship.

[Sostesteg]

no infact...  more power generation on a power core doesn't make it more exspensive.  I've designed a power core that generates 1bil power that cost only 2credits.