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« on: May 07, 2008, 10:13:23 PM »

2008-05-07 01:59:33
FULL ASSAULT - REGULAR!!!

Silhouette(#7348) attacked your from deep space.
Silhouette(#7348) destroyed 0 of your ships and lost 2 ships.
Silhouette(#7348)s attack failed.
Silhouette(#7348) fleet was no match for your forces.


2008-05-07 02:01:39
Evaded Attack!

Evil Genius(#720)'s fleet and mothership tried to attack your mothership.
Your slim mothership engines were able to evade the attacking mothership.
You are safe for now... but your hasty retreat warped you into unknown territory...

2008-05-07 02:02:00
COUNTER - FULL ASSAULT - BOARD!!!

Evil Genius(#720) boarded your fleet and mothership.
Evil Genius(#720) destroyed 43202 of your ships and lost 12905089 ships.
1132 ships from Mobius13(#2028) J-Imperial Defender fleet captured during battle.
222 ships from Mobius13(#2028) J-Imperial Defender fleet captured during battle.
You spent 177.290.975.976 credits to ressuply the fleets with marines.
Evil Genius(#720) attack was successful and you lost 413885 segments.
Your forces suffered a terrible defeat.

this cannot be a "favor" since the account seems to be made recently, and the attack followed 2 minutes later. Can someone do something about this? 
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2008, 12:31:29 AM »

Yea the times are way to close to be a favor or anything other that can be explained
THIS is alt abuse
Both accounts should be banned

Send this report to Sir emi
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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2008, 04:28:09 AM »

 12 He should be sanctioned for using an alt but he shouldn't be banned IMO atention

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Mob I just punished him for you, just look at the board msg 13
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2008, 10:47:23 AM »

the rules are obvious
its common sense about alternate accounts i havent read the rules but i do know them
this is direct malicious rule abuse
and the guys a retard for doing it 2 minutes after
a retarded rule breaker wont stop and needs to be taught a lesson
id ban but it isnt my decision
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2008, 12:49:19 PM »

id ban but it isnt my decision

IP ban?
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2008, 04:34:19 PM »

Umm. ok, 1st, NEITHER of these accounts are new, not even close.

Silhouette(#7348)
onmain, we're in the 5 digits, on wars, they've past 8k, and on PvE they're well under this iirc.

Secondly, COUNTER - FULL ASSAULT - BOARD!!!

this means it is a counter to an attack YOU made on him, so this is definitely not a favor, or even NEAR an abuse of alts. You don't have any strong evidence of alts, let alone any real reason to be claiming abuse of ToS, which it isn't, neither account is benifiting the other here,  even fi the attacks were cordinated, they could be alliance mates, ect. All of which is perfectly legal. Alts=only illegal when used to benifit ONE single account. I'll leave this topic unlocked for now, in case you actually have decent evidence, but as it stands, no ToS has been broken.
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2008, 04:38:23 PM »

The first attack was a scout to make sure that he could take his counter
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2008, 04:42:38 PM »

The first attack was a scout to make sure that he could take his counter

or it was an innocent attack being blown out of proportion. Especially as there was an evaded attack between them, if he knew he could take it, he woulda known the power, thus no evaded attack.
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2008, 05:27:20 PM »

i completely disagree with you on this seither.. ive seen it done many times before.. and noobs just dont innocently scout the bigger players on wars and less than minutes later someone big attack you, and they are not alliance mates either
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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2008, 05:29:38 PM »

the best evidence is that the number of the first player shows that he was made around the time of the attack. mob has substantial evidence, it would be best if emi were told about this.
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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2008, 05:32:25 PM »

I've scouted a target with alts before i knew it was against TOS...  and i got in trouble for it.

I dont think its fair that he gets to get away with it.
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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2008, 05:33:36 PM »

if im not mistaken, doesn't evil genius = silverthorne? aka a mod?

mob, maybe message him in-game, he is a fairly credible source, if the above is correct.

but still, emi should be brought in
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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2008, 05:59:14 PM »

Seither, Silhouette's attack is a scouting run to verify if he can successfully attack mob.. He scouted with an alt coz he want to save some turns..   1
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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2008, 06:09:23 PM »

No, emi should not be brought in, as once again, you all are going off ASSUMING these two people are the same. 1) just because there aren't alliances doesn't mean people don't team up, 2) just because he's a new player doesn't mean he wouldn't scout a bigger player, becuase EVERYONE is bigger than him. Maybe he decided to see if he could take you himself and learned he couldn't, or maybe he was looking for ships to copy if he's a gold, or ideas, there are a LOT of reasons he may have scouted you, 3) if we brought emi into EVERY supposed case of illegal alt use, he'd never get anything else done, becuase we get reports like this all the time, and rarely is it actually alt abuse.

and the big part of it is, a recent number is NOT evidence of alt abuse, or even of it being an alt. There is a reason I'm the only other moderator besides emi in this thread, and that's because I have been here a long time, and understand the ToS well, and alt rules.

so once again, at this time, there is NO evidence of an alt abuse. I will talk to Silverthorne about Evil Genius, if that's not silver, he knows him I'm sure. I'll leave the topic unlocked for now, however, unless USEABLE and CREDIBLE evidence of these two being alts can be brought forward, I will lock this topic. We do not just accuse players off of a recent number, it's not evidence, let alone credible, as the amount of people who join, and at what speed changes, maybe he made that account 3 days ago and practically no one has joined since, did you think about that?

Seither, Silhouette's attack is a scouting run to verify if he can successfully attack mob.. He scouted with an alt coz he want to save some turns..   1

Once again, I demand EVIDENCE. Until i see some, and more than so and so's word, or someone's number, my ruling stands as it is not an alt attack. Topic remains unlocked for a little longer for evidence to be supplied, however, if no is given soon, it will be locked.
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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2008, 06:24:22 PM »

okay boss.. i'll go fingerprint the newer account
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