Sorry - forgot to thank Emi.

Thanx Emi - this should help a lot.

How do we access it?

Somebody need an emergency truce? muhahaha

Ok - hall of fame quote.

Emi -

Your proposed fix changes how ships function, it changes attack and defensive strategies.

Id rather handle some bugs and a delay for the right fix than get something that alters the game so dramatically.

Your thinking backwards FTP. 

If marines arent counted as assets, then you can stack up the marines to lower you apparent net worth - spending credits that disappear from your balance sheet, thus making it cheaper to enter neb. 

If marines are counted, then your net worth stays the same, your converting credits into marines - so your thinking is in reverse.

Ok AFB - looks like you got it all covered, nice idea.

I agree - two different solututions are required due to the potential frequency of attacks.

This was another idea that we spoke about on the forums - I think this might not be too bad for SOMAIN? (for WARS, simply use diminishing returns please)- you would need to add in a button that would allow a player to "Return from the Nebula" (cancel neb).

But is your idea to have it exclusivly on ACE ships?

Makes better sense for it to be used by both sides if its a race to collect it, otherwise the ACE guys are at a disadvantage ?

Nice idea -

Two alliances, alliance shared resources and victory conditions based on collecting material and through PvP action - pretty solid concept.

Maybe I read it wrong, but looks like the material (PUC) is only required to be carried on the ACE ships?  Makes more sense for all ship building to require it, so when you build ships you deplete the material thats stored. 

Also, you could have it being recovered from salvage after a successful attack rather than being required to capture the ships - means its a unit of success from any attack - less random.

Things really need to go on a test server - if players dont test it and give feedback, and it screws up, they can only blame themselves.

Its impossible to test stuff without having players available to test it.  Test servers tend to be overlooked - I know Ive got no interest playing on a test server (sorry Emi >< )

On the other hand, if updates are added to the test server and no-one tests it, then players can only blame themsleves.  Rather than blaming the poor guy who did all the work in the hope of improving everyones game experience.

For SOMAIN - I think maybe if you used cash costs, but lowered the amount of the cost to say 5% rather than 20% it might work - 5% of your total value each day might be enough?  Maybe 10%?

If the total was lower than 20%, then something like Phsips could be used - lower cost expendable ships at the front of your fleets to take the hit - maybe swarmers would become more popular - they are a bit more expensive than Pships - but also provide a lot of attack power.  Personally I think swarmers are far superior - they actually provide real protection from an attack - not just a sure loss and entry to neb.

By the way, Im strictly talking about SOMAIN - the best proposal for WARS so far is diminishing returns, unless someone has a new and brilliant idea - then its the only way to go.

Cash is the main one - PvP is so damned expensive - and having that cash come from salvage rather than taking it from the target is a very good idea.

I think losses from PvP are too high - and the rewards arent yet inline with the risks.  Currently too many segs are destroyed - your not PvP'ing for reward - the main motivation is to damage the defender.  You do three times as much harm as you get reward (purely from a segs point of view). 

Its not unusual for me to pass up a PvP target purely because I dont want to deal that kind of damage to them - Im talking guys in the middle ground with 2 to 5 million segs - I want them to grow, and attacks are so punitive that I fear they'll lose motivation to play if I hit them.

More rewards that dont come from the defender is a very good idea.

So, maybe this salvage idea can be exapanded a lot, take away some of the hurt to the victim (lower segs losses etc), and create some rewards for the attacker.

I still really like the idea of removing segs destruction from SOWARS - its uneccessary pain for the defender, and the attacker doesnt get any benefit from those lost segs.

I guess on my PvP incentives post I was trying to point in that direction.  You still want to have some hurt for the defender - but having better rewards for the attacker (that arent taken from the defender) seems to be an excellent way to promote combat.

Hmm - Ill post some more idea's on my PvP incentives list.