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Title: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Vetaro on December 30, 2012, 10:18:11 AM I tried to design my own "small" swarmer and want to know what others think about it since i'm not sure if i did a good job.
Size of the Ship: 33 Power Core Size: 9 Power Core En: 858 Power Core Cost: 3 Armor Size: 8 Armor HP: 399 Armor Cost: 85 Weapon Size: 8 Weapon En: 718 Weapon Acc: 15% Weapon Atk: 20798 Weapon Cost: 8 Used the Armour twice in the Ship for 798 HP and the total cost is 5626. What do you think about it? Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: forumemy on December 31, 2012, 06:16:04 PM you have good designs for the armour, weapon, and powercore, but i would put two weapons and only one armour. you dont get a big hp boost on hp:cred spent if you use two armours where you get a much bigger att:cred spent if you had two weapons.
emy :12: Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Comatose on December 31, 2012, 07:47:11 PM You lose accuracy for multiple sets of weapons and at 5k a pop that renders these useless
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Vetaro on December 31, 2012, 09:21:30 PM Anyone know how many ships i might need to get a good swarm bonus? Tried to search the forum for a formula but could not find it.
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: forumemy on January 01, 2013, 04:21:18 PM i would say 30000 of that ship would be max. and you dont lose accuracy for multiple weapons of the same accuracy. that just wouldnt make sense if you did :p
emy :12: Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Comatose on January 01, 2013, 04:46:57 PM Swarm Mod Info Ok I am going to try and start updating this again with anything I can think of to help new spaceo Players now I am going to Document how the Swarm Mod works. The way the Swarm mod works is if you have lots of ship in one fleet you get a bonus to HP/ATT/Defense dependent on the ships size(Smaller gets a bigger bonus) and the Number of ships in a fleet. The bonus caps out after a Specific number of ships dependent on the ships size. A smaller ship size needs more ships to max the Bonus . Larger ships just cap out at lower ships numbers For now here is the Data on the Bonus for ships size 62 and up since its the same mod after that. Maxes Bonus at 8,000 Ships Max Attack Bonus: 2.42857x Normal Max Defense Bonus: 2.42857x Normal Max HP Bonus: 11x Normal Size 12 Ships Maxes Bonus at 24,000 Ships Max Attack Bonus: 5.285714285714285568x Normal Max Defense Bonus: 5.285714285714285568x Normal Max HP Bonus: 31x Normal Complete swarm bonus info. Worthwhile to look around the forum. And for what it's worth, you do lose accuracy as well as effective attack for having more weapons on a ship. Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Vetaro on January 01, 2013, 06:19:58 PM Swarm Mod Info Ok I am going to try and start updating this again with anything I can think of to help new spaceo Players now I am going to Document how the Swarm Mod works. The way the Swarm mod works is if you have lots of ship in one fleet you get a bonus to HP/ATT/Defense dependent on the ships size(Smaller gets a bigger bonus) and the Number of ships in a fleet. The bonus caps out after a Specific number of ships dependent on the ships size. A smaller ship size needs more ships to max the Bonus . Larger ships just cap out at lower ships numbers For now here is the Data on the Bonus for ships size 62 and up since its the same mod after that. Maxes Bonus at 8,000 Ships Max Attack Bonus: 2.42857x Normal Max Defense Bonus: 2.42857x Normal Max HP Bonus: 11x Normal Size 12 Ships Maxes Bonus at 24,000 Ships Max Attack Bonus: 5.285714285714285568x Normal Max Defense Bonus: 5.285714285714285568x Normal Max HP Bonus: 31x Normal Complete swarm bonus info. Worthwhile to look around the forum. And for what it's worth, you do lose accuracy as well as effective attack for having more weapons on a ship. Well i found that at least but with the number it's hard to tell how much my 33er ship needs if i just compare those numbers there. Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Comatose on January 01, 2013, 06:20:57 PM A rough gestimate is you're looking at 15k for max swarm bonus. Give or take.
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Vetaro on January 01, 2013, 06:53:45 PM A rough gestimate is you're looking at 15k for max swarm bonus. Give or take. Thank you i will try that amount out would have tried less myself. Edit: Atk 70,594 and HP 14,364 so that makes Atk 3.394268679680739x and HP 36x which seems pretty good to me. Now i should make my first bigger ship. Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Borg! on January 08, 2013, 02:23:59 PM To be honest I wouldn't waste your time designing swarmers. They're a fun concept, but in the long run they just aren't efficient.
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: V on January 08, 2013, 06:52:18 PM They are basically only good for 3 things in my opinion. Granting that I havnt forgotten any uses.
1) beginning game when you can purchase enough cheaply to kill mains. 2) using against p-ships 3) using as tails to help kill encounters which may be out of your range Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Grondavor on January 08, 2013, 11:40:47 PM They are really good for killing reavers early game
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Vetaro on January 10, 2013, 06:39:01 AM Question would be how many fleets i would need to kill reavers. Had 5 of my swarmer fleets and in the first fighst they where able to damage the reaver fleet but sudenly half of my fleet got crushed. Think i might need to try a ship that costs at least a billion but i fear i would lose that too.
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: V on January 10, 2013, 12:07:51 PM swarmers that cost a bill? whoa. thats basically a "tiny" lol
grond, you use swarmers to kill reavs? nub. :P Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Vetaro on January 10, 2013, 02:23:00 PM swarmers that cost a bill? whoa. thats basically a "tiny" lol grond, you use swarmers to kill reavs? nub. :P No not swarmers but a single ship that costs a bill since it seems with swarmers i'm unlucky. Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: V on January 10, 2013, 07:50:12 PM to kill reavers? you'll need one much larger than 1 bill in cost...
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Vetaro on January 10, 2013, 08:05:39 PM to kill reavers? you'll need one much larger than 1 bill in cost... How am i supposed to pay for that xD Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: forumemy on January 11, 2013, 09:15:42 PM dont listen to him you only need about 100 mil,maybe less, to kill 50-100 mil reavers with swarmers. you left out probably the most efficient use for swarms borg. Reavers
emy :12: Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Grondavor on January 11, 2013, 10:02:08 PM What you do is get a good warmer design, and get about 3-4 fleets. For each attack on the reavers only get about 5-10k swarmers in each fleet, and attack. All of the swarmers will die, but you will be able to do a lot of damage to the reavers. Then buy 5-10k more i neach fleet and continue doing that until the reavers are dead
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Borg! on January 12, 2013, 09:44:48 AM I said in the long run they arent efficient. Do you really use swarmers to kill reavers when your lead is 10b+? there's no need for a swarmer to cost more than say 5,000 each since the only thing they're really worth is small game pvp, and killing reavers.
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Vetaro on January 12, 2013, 01:48:46 PM I give up till now i only have the feeling that i waste the credits i earn and i'm not realy going anywhere. Seems the game is to difficult for me.
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: forumemy on January 12, 2013, 03:07:43 PM it isnt that hard man you just have to give it some time. some things you learn just through time.
emy :12: Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: V on January 13, 2013, 08:08:51 PM dont forget reavs regenerate on the 10 minute mark of every hour. ie 1:10, 1:20, 1:30, etc///
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Cpt. Relentless on January 15, 2013, 03:07:17 AM I've found that they only regenerate at :00, or is that only fully regenerate?
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: V on January 15, 2013, 12:45:53 PM in my exp, they fully regen every 10 min
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Cpt. Relentless on January 16, 2013, 03:27:15 AM Hmmm, I'll have to test it out. I'm positive they only regen at :00 though. I'll let you know when I test it out :P
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Cpt. Relentless on January 16, 2013, 02:05:16 PM Yeah.. They regen at :00 not every :10, :20, :30 etc.
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: V on January 16, 2013, 08:14:04 PM hmm... guess I can be wrong ;)
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Grondavor on January 16, 2013, 11:51:44 PM boom roasted
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Cpt. Relentless on January 17, 2013, 05:07:25 AM On rare occasions Wes, yes. ;)
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Vetaro on January 17, 2013, 03:03:48 PM Well i deleted my game account since i can't realy do anything with the informations i get so i give up that game is just not worth my time.
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Comatose on January 17, 2013, 03:46:06 PM I don't mean to be rude, but honestly, the game's really simple if you pay attention and listen to what people have to say. Search the forums. Experiment.
Seeing as you're not willing to do any of that without quitting, we're probably quite better off without someone of that sorts in the community... We already have hk. Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Vetaro on January 17, 2013, 04:01:06 PM I don't mean to be rude, but honestly, the game's really simple if you pay attention and listen to what people have to say. Search the forums. Experiment. Seeing as you're not willing to do any of that without quitting, we're probably quite better off without someone of that sorts in the community... We already have hk. I read many different guides and whatever i tried i only end up loosing my fleets. Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Grondavor on January 17, 2013, 07:10:17 PM You clearly weren't reading the correct guides, or possibly any guides at all. Because when first starting the game theres no way in hell you should be losing ships if you are buying the right ones
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Comatose on January 17, 2013, 07:20:26 PM The right ones? Short of sending in swarmers that're 1 per fleet, or sending your supers to something a lot bigger, like reavers, you're set.
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Vetaro on January 18, 2013, 04:45:51 AM You clearly weren't reading the correct guides, or possibly any guides at all. Because when first starting the game theres no way in hell you should be losing ships if you are buying the right ones Well it's not realy easy finding the correct guides in eh forum that it half dead so it's hard to see what already might be outdated or not. Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Comatose on January 18, 2013, 11:02:20 AM http://spaceoforum.etvirtualworlds.com/index.php/topic,7967.0.html (http://spaceoforum.etvirtualworlds.com/index.php/topic,7967.0.html)
http://spaceoforum.etvirtualworlds.com/index.php/topic,2965.0.html (http://spaceoforum.etvirtualworlds.com/index.php/topic,2965.0.html) http://spaceoforum.etvirtualworlds.com/index.php/topic,5598.0.html (http://spaceoforum.etvirtualworlds.com/index.php/topic,5598.0.html) Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: V on January 18, 2013, 02:53:10 PM this guy gives up too easy.
whats wrong with you, boy!? didnt your mom ever teach you not to be a quitter?! Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Vetaro on January 18, 2013, 04:28:03 PM http://spaceoforum.etvirtualworlds.com/index.php/topic,7967.0.html (http://spaceoforum.etvirtualworlds.com/index.php/topic,7967.0.html) http://spaceoforum.etvirtualworlds.com/index.php/topic,2965.0.html (http://spaceoforum.etvirtualworlds.com/index.php/topic,2965.0.html) http://spaceoforum.etvirtualworlds.com/index.php/topic,5598.0.html (http://spaceoforum.etvirtualworlds.com/index.php/topic,5598.0.html) Know those guides already and i miss the explanation how you are supposed to clear a system without any help Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Comatose on January 18, 2013, 04:58:23 PM What you do is get a good warmer design, and get about 3-4 fleets. For each attack on the reavers only get about 5-10k swarmers in each fleet, and attack. All of the swarmers will die, but you will be able to do a lot of damage to the reavers. Then buy 5-10k more i neach fleet and continue doing that until the reavers are dead Can you not read? Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Vetaro on January 19, 2013, 06:07:20 AM What you do is get a good warmer design, and get about 3-4 fleets. For each attack on the reavers only get about 5-10k swarmers in each fleet, and attack. All of the swarmers will die, but you will be able to do a lot of damage to the reavers. Then buy 5-10k more i neach fleet and continue doing that until the reavers are dead Can you not read? To bad i even tried it with 10 fleets but in the end i just lost everything and had no money left at all. Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Comatose on January 19, 2013, 10:55:16 AM You're hitting too big of reavers or using poop swarmers.
Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Cpt. Relentless on January 20, 2013, 07:40:37 AM I don't mean to be rude, but honestly, the game's really simple if you pay attention and listen to what people have to say. Search the forums. Experiment. Seeing as you're not willing to do any of that without quitting, we're probably quite better off without someone of that sorts in the community... We already have hk. I see what you did at the end there! Haha ;) Title: Re: Swarmer advice needed Post by: Grondavor on January 20, 2013, 11:17:34 PM aaaahahaha
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