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Note: Selling fleets cost update will revert to the 50% - 90% back once those changes are implemented.

- the reserved ships worth would count as credits power
- marines count as credits / workers power, whether on reserve fleets or not

Marine Escape Pos
- all fleets will be retrofitted with marine escape pods. When a marined fleets is destroyed, 70%-90% of the marines on board will espace in pods and regroup at your secret base. They will become workers.
- you will have to ability to choose between workers / credits when resupplying your ships with marines. This mean you will be able to convert your workers into marines.

Update scheduled for following days.

Thank you.

seriously.. worse update ever.. thank you for making this a pve server too...

cheers emi, killed it....

i mean seriously u killed pvp on main. you might aswell just delete the server and put rewards on pve...

well i'm just a player but what's the point in having marine pods when youv'e kill pvp  :confused:

It is not as bad as it looks. Reserve fleets don't count towards mothership power, but credits on hand do count. When you resupply or buy new ships then reserve them, mothership power goes down because credits disappear into reserve. This makes one able to lower power to reach even the lowest possible power.

As I see it, marines / reserve fleets are still assets and they should count as it is their worth in credits towards your mothership power.

For example, if you have 10 bil cr and buy ships worth 9 bil cr and reserve them, your power will now only reflect 1 bil cr on the mothership.

However you still have the assets in reserve worth 9 bil cr, so that should also be considered liquid assets and your power should reflect your real value in the mothership witch is 10 bil cr.

For normal pvp at equal level it barely influences anything. The only thing it does is that you cannot reduce your base power by buying reserved fleets.

All of you know that in the past before you could drop all your workers and segments into planets you never were able to zero your basepower so you could attack people with 1b credits while you have several trill. This is just to get the extreme farming gone. If you reserve a swarmer fleet giving 200m power it will give 3m power when reserved.

With another update Emi is working on and hopefully can release at the same time as this one.... you can actually make a profit attacking other players which would be nice for PvP.

what about for those of us who have a bigger base power then everyone else has with mains out...

If you can make an alt that would actually allow you to make profit and grow only by pvp.... you would still be able to do atleast as much attacking as you do now..... but the difference would be is that you don't piss of the new players because now they have a change of retaliating.

The next update concerning PvP will be this, SO Main only:

-> Both ways PvP salvage
     - attacker will salvage 20% of defender losses (items & cr), defender will salvage 60% of own losses (cr), 20% lost
     - on success, attacker will salvage 50% of own losses (cr), defender will salvage 0% of attacker losses (cr), 50% lost
     - on fail, attacker will salvage 25% of own losses (cr), defender will salvage 10% of attacker losses (cr), 65% lost   
     - defender with 5 bil fleet can have max salvage from attacker fleet of 0.5 bil (10% of his own fleets worth)
     - attacker gets 20% so (max 20% of his own fleets worth)
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-> Can not use turns while in nebula
   - you will get a warning and a button to click to get out of nebula when trying to use turns
       - you can still do counter attacks

Why can the defender get max 10% from attacker losses? To prevent farming / credit transfers between alts.

The other nebula penalties / bonus is scraped in favor of the cant use turns idea.

Combined with marines escape pods, this will make pvp more balanced for the defender as well as the attacker.

No its still as bad as it seems.. if you want to do any kind of attacking and you have to power down, you lose half the credits you had to hide to power down... still sucks

It seems I didn't make myself clear.

Ship sell cost will be max 90% of real value back like it was before with max resupply bonuses.

Thank you

theres no reason why marines should be counted towards your fp if they are on a reserved ship and why does reserved ships worth count towards fp too... its not allowing people to power down

You can only remote attack a mothership that is 80% - 400% your mothership power.

Hiding your wealth (credits) power is breaking the above rule.

What is the fun for new players if the top players can give away all segments/workers and credits acquire a base power that is zero. Making them having a lower basepower than them while they have online 400m

Another fix to this would be letting planets count to base power

erm heres the thing... we were never powering down that low. we powered down to hit other top 10-30 players and that was it...

planets used 2 be counted.. everyone hated it so it was removed...

"The other nebula penalties / bonus is scraped in favor of the cant use turns idea."

I know it was one of a couple of suggestions that I posted in another thread but it is almost like getting beat twice and I don't see how the idea will help with alt nebbing or alliance nebbing and that is an issue.

Maybe change that to limited turns, say 1000.  At least this way you could get to your station or planet....and it still gives a chance to take out some hidden aliens and one can still use the neb their advantage if needed. 

You will get 60% of your destroyed ships refunded, so you will have way more credits when you enter a nebula, so you will never be without credits this way.

But this way people can only do missions outside of a nebula... so you cannot always hide all your ships when you are outside a nebula.

yea this way is good. but its sorta ruined because now we cant power down...

i do not like the no turns in neb idea at all....  for me that just means that if i get owned one time, i cant do anything to gain back the credits i lost without being forced to come out of neb and probably get owned again.  And that is very bad for some of us who get attacked by the same player every single day who uses tinies to destroy everything

That's why the can't use turns while in nebula get implemented together with the defender salvage from PvP. So you will have chance to rebuild if you get attacked while outside the nebula. Risk increases a bit, but so does the reward, missions combined with defender salvage and marine escape pods.

You will still gain turns while in the nebula. What you won't be able to do is use the turns until you get out.

you get alittle to much back for my liking but it is a definite improvement

I notice all the complainers are in the same alliance -- the one with most members having trillions of fleet power, while the 2nd most powerful alliance isn't even close. Fact is, if SOMETHING isn't done to provide more balance, the game will have a hard time retaining new players. They'll feel like they're being bullied with no way of fighting back. On this one I have to agree with the coordinators.

While they're at it, I'd also like to suggest either limiting attacks on mines belonging to the same player, limiting attacks on mines to players with similar ranking and/or fleet power, or a salvage recovery, similar to the one being proposed for ships, for a player whose mines get destroyed.

Meeow

we are the ones complaining because we are the only ones that attack anybody.

that is not true, i try to attack people all the time, but sometimes i know that i cant afford to or i would get owned.  the reason you guys attack more is only because you have so much more money that you can afford to change your base power and hit people, while the rest of us cant

i meant in the top 10-30 grond.

i am in the top 30 if you would care to check.  :P

i think the two combined updates will make for a great long term improvement for the game

not off your own back grond..

yea, get punished for being better then every ..

Its just a crap update thats been put in from noobs whining.. actually make good updates to the game.. galaxy attacks is what completely screwed this game up in the first place and there still has been no fix on those.. how many times have we asked for at least restrictions on full assualt attacks? Still havent gotten a thing

I prefer the way it was back when AoF still lived.

Ya mean just rankings attacks? That was great.. I say rankings attacks only with some kinda diminished neb thrown in would be great.. along with some of the new pvp incentives

im perfectly fine with galaxy attacks being removed.

so is a ton of other people

yep, but i wouldnt hold your breath about it getting changed

honestly i always thought galaxy attacks were pretty pointless

they are, only really used to buddy neb. or alt neb. not really a viable way to attack someone cause they always warp/ are to powerful

ya.  the only use i have found for them was raiding people if i started half way through a round and wanted some quick money at the start

yea but still its not needed and really not wanted..

yup.  i say get rid of it

ok so thats another that says get rid of em. emi please please please please :D

and we have all kinds of players supporting here

I agree remove galaxy attacks.

Either remove them or make them usefull and add power restriction.

Galaxy attacks are for nebbing and feeding. Get rid of em.

there isnt much of a way to make them usefull.....  i would much rather just do remote assault...  i dont have to waste turns moving to where the person is, and i dont have to pay to find out where he is...  its just better overall

Remote assaults are good to an extent. Keep galaxy attacks, but in incursion only?

maybe....  i always thought incursion attacks were just a chance for high players to attack low players at will because there are no nebs, and the  low players will usually come back if they warp.

Incursion people usually know the risk..

not always.  the first time i got zeroed at incursion through a neb, i thought it was a glitch and mailed sir emi

Lol, well someone needs to tell newbiess that  :P

haha yup   :12:

wait..if u read the incursion descript think it says it

it does but lets be honest.  do you really expect anyone to read all of that?  its like a page and a half lol

I did...

Off topic  :12:

i agree with removing them and keeping them at incursion

Incursion's need them, even when you are the target, It's quite fun dicing with danger seeing if you can survive or move when you know the attack is imminent.
I remember a few rounds back, Spayed, Cammy and Wiley trying to coordinate an attack on me in incursion..... I decided to leg it out of there that time :))
I've had a mini incursion war with Nighty...which I lost badly many rounds ago.  :wounded1:
The only downside is the little power hiters that just pop your powers... now that nebs are useless for online play thats will be even more of a pain!

We'll get around it.

well nebs didnt count at incursions anyway so the no neb thing wont be a big issue

Actually, it's quite easy to deal with the little power nippers! Have ships especially designed for them! :P

just put some hp on your shippys and they go boom :d

(Not sure if this is the right thread, but it seemed like it was)

Sir Emi, When/are you planning to fix the bug where reserved ships show up as ships ont he remote assault screen?  I have wasted so many turns trying to attack people and make money with the wonderful new PvP dates, only to find out they don't actually have any ships.  If youa re not going to fix this, when are you going to implement the advanced battle screen you were talking about earlier, that would tell exactly how many ships somebody has out, etc. etc.

Thanks

he has fixed it. the ships may show up on the remote attack screen, but when u go to the war room to attack it refresh's and shows how many ships someone really has out

OK sorry, didnt see that it showed the number of ships thy had in the war room.  Thanks!

Now if only he'd work on WARS' multiple power issues.

i thought he has done that to :S

Lol not.....

mmm if you can dump workers/segs into the galaxy then this update is needed...  I used to avoid seg/worker missions and jump down/up drastically in power - problem was before planets and space stations not having workers is a fairly big ding to growth, sure I could attack anyone in the top 150 and win, but you also got to realize that workers of people at my power would give them a days worth of missions in cash every 3 days...  So for every 3 days they landed a 1 day lead on me.

problem is that with large extremes that end up in top 10 someone could end up with so much money they'd not be able to attack 2nd or 3rd place..... 

A fix - what if you counted galaxy power (liquid, aka the cash/worker value, not ship value) to mothership power WHEN attacking?  this power wouldn't show up on the rankings but would show up on the attacks.  This leaves the players with the same disadvantage I'd have back before planets...  Sure they'd be able to attack the top 150-200 players even if they are rank 2 or 3... but is it worth not having space stations or planets?  as a matter of fact, without use of the galaxy, segs, or workers would they even be able to keep up?  player would have to choose - Rank, or Moveablity

-yuck, but I like my nebula :p  how about make moving in the galaxy cost more in a nebula?  aka 3x as much travel cost in a nebula and 3x more attack cost on missions.. that way people can do the nebula thing all they want... but they won't ever get top cause they'd run out of turns faster :p

the problem with that is that they cant keep up as it is.. and they still hide.. it had 2 be done that way it was because currently there is no pvp in space o

ah, that bad?  Well, never mind then :p

Well there was a lot of pvp.... but all were buddy nebs ^^

Which is not pvp

Unless you kill something other then Pships its just scratching your Motherships paint job

depends, if u p ship as much as jack duke does then it will probably do alot of damage :D