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SpaceO Reaver Guide Added (http://tinyurl.com/kenquinnsreaverguide)

All math calculations seem to use the normal rounding system Example 3.345 = 3, 3.5785337938 = 4 etc etc etc...(New findings tell me this may be incorrect)

Link to the old SpaceO Guide(Wiki pages replaces link) Old SpaceO Guide (http://guide.spaceo.net/)

How much power you get from different sources
Ship Power/Space: 1.5
Attack:Power Ratio 100:1
HP:Power Ratio 100:1
Defense:Power Ratio 100:1
Mother Ship Segments Power: 2,500 Each (250 Each on SO Main as of 2013-18-7)
Power From Cash and Workers: 1 Power = $1,000 or Workers

Commander XP Gain Updated(This is for Commander XP and not Ship XP Gain): 1 XP per 100,000 Power Killed You get 1/5 of the Xp your normal would get if you fail the attack/mission.
Encounters such as black holes give a Maximum of 70,000 EXP
Mothership Missions give a Maximum of 3500 XP without Commander Mods. So you need to kill 350,000,000 Power of ships to get 3,500 XP on a successfully attack and 1,750,000,000 Power of ships if you fail the attack.
Incursions: 15,000 XP without commander mods. So you need to kill 1,500,000,000 Power of ships to get 15,000 XP on a successfully attack and 7,500,000,000 Power of ships if you fail the attack.
I do now know the Value for Encrypts

Worker Credit Generation: $1 a day per 2880 Workers
Biofarms Worker Usage: You need 1 biofarm for every 5,725,000(Very close to the real number but not exactly it) workers to not be in negative growth. You will need more if you want to max growth. I have not completely done all the testing for this I will post more precise figure when I fell like figuring them out.

For SOWars it's about 1 BioFarm for every 5,000,000 Workers not to be in negative growth

Many people say that the optimal weigh for all components is 8 but after I tested this theory with Shield and Computers I found that it is True for shields but not for Computers. If you make a Computer 9 Weight instead of 8 you shave off 1000 Energy from it. Compared to the extra 400 energy you get from putting 1 Space in your powercore.
Optimal Shield Weight is: 8
Optimal Computer Weight is: 9

Component Making Calculations(More to come)
HP Formulas for specials(8 Weight Only)

You need the components required energy for this one:
((Energy Required * 3)/10) -1399 = HP

Example: You have 50,000,000 energy for your special so you do: 50,000,000 * 3 = 150,000,000 / 10 = 15,000,000 - 1399 = 14,998,601 HP
All of the above data was tested on the SO server it should be Accurate for SOWars but I have not doubled checked.

Power Core Energy Gen
Energy Generation = ((PowerCore Weight -13)*400)-79

Commander Stuff

Commander Level Titles and Images
Level 0: Private (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/p1.gif)
Level 10: Private First Class (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/pfc.gif)
Level 20: Lance Corporal (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/lcorp.gif)
Level 30: Corporal (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/corp.gif)
Level 42: Sergeant (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/serg.gif)
Level 55: Staff Sergeant (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/sserg.gif)
Level 70: Sergeant First Class(http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/sergfc.gif)
Level 85: Master Sergeant (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/mserg.gif)
Level 100: First Sergeant (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/1sg.gif)
Level 115: Sergeant Major (http://)
Level 130: Command Sergeant Major (http://)
Level 145: Sergeant Major of the Army (http://)
Level 160: Ensign (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/ensign.gif)
Level 175: Second Lieutenant (http://wars.spaceo.net/ranks/2stlt.gif)
Level 190: Lieutenant Junior Grade (http://)
Level 210: First Lieutenant (http://wars.spaceo.net/ranks/1stlt.gif)
Level 220: Lieutenant (http://wars.spaceo.net/ranks/lieut.gif)
Level 250: Captain (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/capt.gif)
Level 270: Lieutenant Commander (http://wars.spaceo.net/ranks/lieutcom.gif)
Level 290: Major (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/major.gif)
Level 310: Lieutenant Colonel (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/ltcol.gif)
Level 330: Colonel (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/col.gif)
Level 350: Brigadier General (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/bgen.gif)
Level 370: Major General (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/mgen.gif)
Level 390: Lieutenant General (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/lgen.gif)
Level 410: Commander General (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/cgen.gif)
Level 430: Fleet General (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/fgen.gif)
Level 450: Mothership Rear Admiral (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/ram.gif)
Level 470: Mothership Vice Admiral (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/vam.gif)
Level 500: Commander Admiral (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/cam.gif)
Level 550: Admiral of the Galaxy (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/fam.gif)
Level 650: Hero of the Galaxy (http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/mehono.gif)
More to come as my commander levels this round

Commander Skills Max %
Advanced BioFarms: 255%
Advanced Locator: 255%
Time Dilation: 255%
Planetary Combat: 255%
Marine Leader: 70%
Special Board Fleets: 255%
Kamikaze Master: 50%
Unknown Alloy Armour: 70%
Slave Training Knowledge: 255%
Master Defender: 50%
Black Market Dealer 37%
Shield Master: 37%
Target Tracker:   37%
Emphatic Trade Relations: 70%
Fast Talker: 70%
Line Assemble: 80%
Upgrades Dealer: 37%
Explorer Mercenary: 50%
Elite Mercenary: 50%
Slave Trader Mercenary: 50%
Contraception Ban: 255%
Bank Fraud Program: 255%
Genius Mind: 255%
Genius Leader: 255%
Alliance Genius Leader: 100%
Warp Alignment Sensibility: 75%

Thanks to Draken, Sir Emi for these!


System Structure Cost SOMain
Space Station Cost: 9375 Carbon, 6250 Stone, 1875 Ice, 1250 Iron, 1250 Metals, 315 Gold and 190 Diamond
Mining Station Cost: 6250 Carbon, 10000 Stone, 1250 Iron and 1250 Metals

A more detailed breakdown can be found here (http://forum.spaceo.net/index.php/topic,6126.msg60553.html#msg60553).

Swarm Mod Info
Ok I am going to try and start updating this again with anything I can think of to help new spaceo Players now I am going to Document how the Swarm Mod works.

The way the Swarm mod works is if you have lots of ship in one fleet you get a bonus to HP/ATT/Defense dependent on the ships size(Smaller gets a bigger bonus) and the Number of ships in a fleet.

The bonus caps out after a Specific number of ships dependent on the ships size. A smaller ship size needs more ships to max the Bonus .

Larger ships just cap out at lower ships numbers

For now here is the Data on the Bonus for ships size 62 and up since its the same mod after that.

Maxes Bonus at 8,000 Ships
Max Attack Bonus: 2.42857x Normal
Max Defense Bonus: 2.42857x Normal
Max HP Bonus: 11x Normal

Size 12 Ships
Maxes Bonus at 24,000 Ships
Max Attack Bonus: 5.285714285714285568x Normal
Max Defense Bonus: 5.285714285714285568x Normal
Max HP Bonus: 31x Normal

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Edited:

• SpaceO Reaver Guide Added (http://tinyurl.com/kenquinnsreaverguide)

Thanks to whoever Stickied this :12:

ya i think most of it is right untill you start getting into the cp bonuses for workers and such.. never checked the exp tho.. but good job :thumbsup:

you can blaim that on me being tiny

You mind if i post this on the cota website. Ill give you credit

You can if you want to but thanks for asking

nice! i never bothered to check, but i always thought that the amount of cash yielded per worker changed when u got to the larger amounts... any chance this is true or am i totally off?

I would think its a constant rate but it could change with larger amounts

nah dont think it changes... the thing that changes it is when people use commander points towards having their workers made more creds per 10 mins

k, just checking

Bumped because of update

Doesn't look like the max worker equation works for SO Wars.  :21:

And I don't think you get any CP for missions/encounters in SO Wars. Or next to nothing. You only get Commander XP for fighting vs other players and possibly System Fleets ...

But .. This is a SO Stats thread ... :-) So good work and nicely done, I was looking for this sort of info too.  :14:

K thanks for the info will edit my post also how many workers do you have?

Good point, I can't count. I don't have 3 Trillion Workers.

You don't happen to know the Growth % rates for a given number of workers ?  :)

As soon as I figure something out I post it so thats a no

I don't think that I will be able to figure that out as it has to many variables to test properly and one of them which is worker amount is impossible to increase/decrease in specific numbers. Sir Emi could tell us if he is feeling nice tho.

Have updated this post at long last see the change log for changes

I just did more calcs it seems i need correct my updates/corrections :2: Need to remeber to double check next time :12:

Lots of updates to my post today :12:
Bio Farm Per Worker Ratio Updated
Added the real Optimal Computer Weigh
Add more precise Biofarm Per Worker Information
Updated Commander XP Gain Data
Add Optimal Computer/Shield Size

Ken - because your basically there already, Ill post some data.

Optimal weights are;

Shields and Weapon - 8
Computers and Special - 9

The following table is the energy increases required to go below size 10.

Miniturization Costs in Energy      

Size   Comp      Shield
9   333   133
8   1333   400
7   2000   933
6   3333   2000
5   6000   4133
4   11333   8400
3   22000   16933
2   43333   34000
1   86000   68133


Comp applies to special as well, Shield applies to weapons as well.

So if you want to make a smaller component, use this table to determine how much extra energy is needed.  For example if I had a size 8 shield and wanted to make it size 4, then the energy cost would be 8,400 (for size 4) - 400 (for size 8) = 8,000 more energy.

Add Max XP Gain For Incursions
Add How much power you needed to kill for max xp from encounters for the math impaired
Added Special HP Formula(Only for 8 weight Specials)

And a big thanks to whoever stickied this :12: L:) hi

No problem, it earned a sticky.  :P

Added Shield and ACC formulas

Yours determined the Energy Requirements and weight mine has nothing to do with that. What I added tells you what ASB a ship will get with any combination of shields.

Also if you don't think mine work please show some evidence other then saying No Lol. I've test my formula with a half dozen different shield combos each component adds the amount my formula says it should. If my calculations are wrong please show me and I will remove it from my Topic.

Edited since I found out why you removed the posts.

Easy my calcs say that it should be 81.041666666666666666666666666653 rounded up to 82% but since shields are caped at 80% it gets reduced to 80%. Edit: Do you want me to write up my exact calculations?

Well you can thank the math I'm using, I have not taken any thing above grade 10 yet. Since I'm homeschooling and have Been focusing on other subjects.

Edit:Also I'm pretty sure that computers would be capped at 99% since thats the max Accuracy. Not that you would want Computer ACC that high since you have to have at least 1% ACC coming from your weapon.

Kenq

Using your sum of fractions formula then 1x36% shield, and 20x31% shields gives 62% absorb.

However if you build it in the game youll find its exactly 66% absorb.  The more iterations you do, the worse that formula result is.

Theres a bit more to the eqn.

K thanks for the info I will refine the formula then repost it after I make sure it works for up to lets say a total of 100 Shields?

Kenquin if you make an adding formula for shields you will make it way to complicate and you will never get the right answer. Try to get the real formula ;)

Hmm - I remember a post about a week ago where you were scoffing at MeGuRen for his 22 shields .. so you didnt have the formula then.

Anyhow - as anyone who's resolved it will tell you, its not straight forward - and unless you have some leads from someone, or a good mathematical knowledge your unlikely to solve it.

I don't remember a post about 22 shields but Ill take your word for it, but I do not believe I was Scoffing at him. I just asked him to show me that my formula was wrong instead of just saying your wrong. Thank you for telling me I will need more Advance mathematics to solve it as It will prevent me from fruitlessly spending anymore time on it.

I was referring to FTP who thought 22 shields was a silly idea, not you Kenn.  Also Basil insisted more than 8 was a waste - not true.

The number of required shields or comps varies with the target percentage.

Updated it again:
Added Powercore Energy Generation formula
Added Biofarm requirements for SOWars

Another Update:

• Added Black Market Dealer Max %
  
• Added Mining Station/Space Station Base Resource Costs

Added People in DDay List will try to edit it daily when needed

I am currently working on a page for the SpaceO wiki at: http://wiki.spaceo.net/index.php/Main_Page that will replace this post.

ETA:It's done when it's done

• Updated SOMain minimum Biofarms needed for 0% growth

Shield Master

Increase all fleet shields absorb power
   
   37    %
   Max
Target Tracker

Increase fleets global accuracy
   
   37    %
   Max
Master Defender

Increase the global defence of all your fleets
   
   50    %
   Max
Warp Alignment Sensibility

Decrease warp travel time in the Galaxy
   
     75    % 
        Max
Elite Mercenary

You gain more credits from mission contracts
   
     50    % 
   Max
Slave Trader Mercenary

You gain more workers from mission contracts
   
     50    % 
   Max
Fast Talker

Increase the price CHOAM will bid on your sell offers
   
     70    % 
   Max
Emphatic Trade Relations

CHOAM sell offers have a lower price for you
   
     70    % 
   Max
thought i would help with this,

Completed Commander Skill Max % thanks to a contribution by Draken

Optimal Special Weight is: 6
Optimal Weapon Weight is: 8

Max Computer Stack should not exceed 10 components (valid up to 36% Raw ACU... possibly up to 50% Raw ACU)
Max Shield Stack should not exceed 22 components (valid up to 75% Raw ABS... most probably to 80% Max)

Special and Weapon weight look good.

Commander XP Gain Update. Emi seemed to forgot to mention he update the rate you get it at.

Stared to add more information to this now that I am playing again its a good way to past time waiting for turns.

Just added Swarm Bonus Data for ships size 62 and up

What I'm about to say is probably bloody obvious, but I'm pointing out what the effect of each maxed skill would be. And don't forget mothership mods count towards that percent.

Advanced BioFarms: 255% (Thanks to Draken) = 35.5 credits per biofarm per turn
Advanced Locator: 255% (Thanks to Draken) = 3.55x segments on Extend missions
Time Dilation: 255% (Thanks to Draken) = Cap at 12,750 turns (assuming initial cap is 5000)
Planetary Combat: 255% (Thanks to Draken) = Marines are 3.55x stronger
Marine Leader: 70% (Thanks to Draken) = Marines cost 0.3 credits
Special Board Fleets: 255% (Thanks to Draken) = Ships hold 3.55x marines
Kamikaze Master: 50% (Thanks to Draken) = 1.5x attack on all ships
Unknown Alloy Armour: 70% (Thanks to Draken) = 1.7x HP on all ships
Slave Training Knowledge: 255% (Thanks to Draken) = ~1 credit per 850 workers
Master Defender: 50% (Thanks to Draken) = 1.5x defence on all ships
Black Market Dealer 37%(Thanks to Sir Emi and Draken) = Ships bought with the design cost 63% of original
Shield Master: 37% (Thanks to Draken) = ABS +37%
Target Tracker:   37% (Thanks to Draken) = ACC +37%
Emphatic Trade Relations: 70% (Thanks to Draken) = Market buy price x0.3
Fast Talker: 70% (Thanks to Draken) = Market sell price x1.7
Line Assemble: 80%  = Ships cost 20% of normal
Upgrades Dealer: 37% (Thanks to Draken) = Upgrade cost x0.63
Explorer Mercenary: 50% (Thanks to Draken) = 1.5x segment reward
Elite Mercenary: 50% (Thanks to Draken) = 1.5x credit reward
Slave Trader Mercenary: 50% (Thanks to Draken) = 1.5x worker reward
Contraception Ban: 255% (Thanks to Draken) = 3.55x worker growth rate
Bank Fraud Program: 255% (Thanks to Draken) = 3.55x interest
Genius Mind: 255% (Thanks to Draken) = 3.55x EXP
Genius Leader: 255% (Thanks to Draken) = 3.55x CP from levels
Alliance Genius Leader:   100% (Thanks to Draken) = 2x alliance size
Warp Alignment Sensibility: 75% (Thanks to Draken) = Travel cost x0.25

Putting all the stat boosts together gives you a ship that's ~10 times the strength of its original cost. Cool.

hey ken, should that commander level be 390,  not 290?

Okay my commander level is now 410 and it says commander general....and the picture is 4 stars

And to fill in Ken's missing ranks........

Level 115: Sergeant Major 

Level 130: Command Sergeant Major

Level 145: Sergeant Major of the Army

Level 160: Ensign

Level 175: Second Lieutenant

Level 190: Lieutenant Junior Grade

Level 210: First Lieutenant

Level 225: Lieutenant

Level 250: Captain

Level 270: Lieutenant Commander

(http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/major.gif) Level 290: Major

(http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/ltcol.gif) Level 310: Lieutenant Colonel


I have the pictures for each rank but don't know how to post them.

When you reply, click the "additional option" button and upload a picture

click "more attachment" if you have more than one pic

post a link to them

(http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/major.gif)

This is a test to work out how to post an in game image for the Commander rank of Major

Ok, I've worked out how to get them from game directly but the images I have stored already I'm having difficulties with. I had stored them on a spreadsheet page but this doesnt allow me to upload them to a storage site. I might have to update all the images next round as I gain rank, providing I dont get Zero'd every day!!

Hey Ken, another commander level for ya?

Level 430 - General of the Fleet

(http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/fgen.gif)

Lvl 450

Mothership Rear Admiral

(http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/ram.gif)

Lvl 470

Mothership Vice ADmiral

(http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/vam.gif)

haha you just like showing off dont ya :P

hehe :D

No just trying to update the thread  :P

Tony dont double post edit... Your a mod for gods sakes. I fixed it for you.

I love you too!

(http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/ltcol.gif)

Lieutenant Colonel

Only useful if i have the level you get it at...

I'm making it easy for you and modifying my original post, so you can see all the missing ranks updated as I reach them!!

Added Detailed Ship Exp Levels to the Wiki (http://wiki.spaceo.net/index.php/Fleet_Experience)

Also I'm going to start moving all this stuff over to the wiki and redoing my first post to reference links to wiki pages.

Okay cool, do you still want me to update the commander levels?

Lvl 500 - Commander Admiral

(http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/cam.gif)

Ahh, contributions to the Wiki. This is very helpful.

Remember any of you can edit the Wiki if you have something to share.

Yep ill be posting it on the wiki when i have spare time

Thats great ken. I like the wiki style of editing as well

One more for ya:

Lvl 550

Admiral of the Galaxy

(http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/fam.gif)

Lieutenant is at 220 not 225

I updated some of the ranks on here for you Kenquinn

Commander General is still missing at level 410

Thanks, I'm adding the stuff from the 3rd page now. Also reorganized it a bit for ease of access.

EDIT:

Still need images for:
Level 190: Lieutenant Junior Grade
Level 115: Sergeant Major
Level 130: Command Sergeant Major
Level 145: Sergeant Major of the Army
Level 270: Lieutenant Commander

Well...I'm assuming this is the maximum position you can get  :12:

Hero of the Galaxy; Lvl 650

(http://www.spaceo.net/ranks/mehono.gif)

Its not commander level goes past 2k... Not 100% sure if there are bigger medals but i think there are...

Nope, you can keep leveling your commander but thats the highest ranking. Just ask anyone who made quads of fp.

Look carefully did i say that there were more medals then that? Also i thought by ranking you meant level not by rank aka Sergent.

Well, yes, actually you did say that you thought there were more medals than that: "Not 100% sure if there are bigger medals but i think there are..."

Thanks blaky  :P Nice to see kenquinn wrong  L:)

Saying that i think there are is not the same as me saying there are medals larger then that.

Kenquinn, no one is accusing you of stating that there absolutely, positively are more medals than that. You did, however, expressed uncertainty, and—in that uncertainty—you proposed that, more likely than not, there are more medals. Truth of Mind then clarified that, in fact, there are not any more medals. His clarification was both appropriate and warranted.

Your responses to him, Kenquinn, however are now bordering on belligerent.

d**n you big words. And I accept your apology ken  :wow: :P

Of course, you are making yourself hard to defend, Truth of Mind. :-P

How about we get back on topic and stop quoting?  :P

Just to let people know that it is possible to get to Immortal Crew Level (180% bonus) in SO:

Prophet's 250Q     Immortal +180%     

Hmm..I get vet and then upgrade. Apparently Tony is slow   :))

err...I have no idea what you are talking about  :P

 :)) He means that by the time his ships reach veteran status he's already buying new ones...

Meh, sometimes there is a point when a fleet with bonuses is worth more than an upgraded fleet.

haha okay I get it now  :19:

There is no point upgrading so fast. You just reduce your amount of encounters. Plus fairfrozen, getting to immortal is pretty standard in SO Main at this time point. Aliens are a plenty to get crew experience

HEHE

Two small edits added a link to my first draft of my SpaceO Reavers guide and edited the bit abut the SpaceO rounding system

A small edit to the swarm mod data hopefully more will come soon