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Title: Infinite Scouting Post by: Hellsword on July 19, 2006, 06:52:26 PM When yo uattack som1, they should get 1 attack back, not an infinite amount of hitds on oyu for 2hours scouting you. if they do this they can stop you from using any powerships for a day, and cna just kill your powerships to board your real ships. Granted you do have to scout sometimes to find hteir base, but htere should be something where if scouting results in combat it either counts as a counter, or you lose your counter in 5 minutes or somehting...
Title: Re: Infinite Scouting Post by: Lammalord on July 19, 2006, 07:49:28 PM true this should be it, im afraid to attack people stronger than me know knowing that they can use that one counter to attack my p ships useing a scout tell there all dead then board and take my mission ships
Title: Re: Infinite Scouting Post by: ars68 on July 19, 2006, 10:36:32 PM 1: this should be in bugs/problems... I opened this thread thinking you WANTED infinite scouting. lol
2: I totally agree, the few benefits of having infinite scouting is quickly outweighed by the fact that you can just get more then 1 counter at a time on the same person. either make it where scouting into a battle is a counter, or (as it SHOULD be) scouting IS a form of an attack and uses a counter itself. oh, btw, scouting, you enjoy like a 50% penalty to their attack and 50% bonus to your hp. so if you end up putting up a real ship when they think you still only have pships out, you may be able to take out their ships. unless they use spare ships to take out your fake ships in turn. I dunno. Title: Re: Infinite Scouting Post by: Hellsword on July 19, 2006, 11:12:08 PM nah ars it isnt technically a bug, and is a strategy, it just should be changes since its unfair...
Title: Re: Infinite Scouting Post by: Demitrious Ducas on July 20, 2006, 01:02:50 AM The idea here is that infinite scouting isn't sporting when used to make real attacks without the resulting counters, most people would consider this bad form since it is used against a player...
But, a similar case I have made is using decoy ships in missions, it works, it is allowed by the rules, but it just isn't in the spirit of honorable hunting... most people said this shouldn't be fixed or isn't an issue when I made a post about it because it is only against the computer fleets. My point in both issues is that, the lack of sportsmanship doesn't come from the target it has to come from within yourself for it to mean anything. But, in the hardnosed edge of gaming there is almost no honor among players, everyone is out for themselves or group and will do or try nearly anything to get an advantage. I think this is why a more advanced, but not overly complex, combat tactic system is needed, to disuade players from using loopholes to an advantage not intended by the rules. I don't want an overly complex system, I liked the simple combat system as it exists, but it's lacking in depth to handle issues outside of normal war (pitting player#1's best ships vs. player#2's best ships and rolling the dice)... I REALLY enjoyed the pen and paper space games of the 70's and 80's many of them were simple formula combat with dice to find a bit of random factor, but MOST of them had advanced combat tactics and options to choose that made that combat interesting and made the outcome based on more than just 3 simple fleet propeties (Atk, Def, HP). The ship design and componant design portion of this game kicks ass it is nearly infinately variable and can be used to make a multitude of ships with different purposes. SO uses such cool ships in a combat system that just falls short of the high mark set by the ship design portion of the game. This is more evident because in most cases, it is an active player attacking an inactive/ off-line player, all the options and output go to the attacker, the player off-line gets no choice of tactics (only which ships to leave out) and get a very minimal combat report that lacks nearly any useful information about the attacker that could be used to make a counter attack. Scouting to gain ship/ fleet make-up for the defender is then essential when they get back on-line to find the've been attacked. The defender should atleast get the same attack report the attacker sees. Then there are the hit and run issues where it isn't even possible to bring most or any of your real combat ships to make a counter attack since the initial attacker put them into reserve before logging and has much reduce total power So as a result you get a game full of power ship blasting back and forth, back and forth without doing any real damage to either side except for a few unexpected losses or unprepared for defenders... it just can't hold the interest of most people and they end up leaving the game, playing alts, greefing others, or trying to exploit every possible loophole or bug hoping not to get caught. |