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he tried to manipulate the rules of space odyssey. i think he should be delt with harshly with the statement show in the ToS

Fair play     
        Players who are trying to manipulate the rules and/or use loopholes in them can be deleted from the game. Before taking a decision each case will be looked at separately by the Space Odyssey team. 
-located in the very frount of the Tos

and what may you ask he manipulated?

Borg traded over 7 bil to midnight, (who is his accomplice in the crime) who then traded the 7 bil directly to borgs alt (the borgs 2nd alt) to be exact this is manipulateing these rules: [note just got word from midnight that he had nothing to do with the trade, meaning that borg did it directly.. this means he framed midnight for helping him to try and avoid me caughting on to him actally abuse the rule directly witch is so much worse]

 You do _not_ use your accounts to help one single account.

 You may _not_ finance a lower power account with a higher power one in order to do damage to lower people using the higher account resources     

he manipulated this buy trading the money first to a friend then to his account.. witch is still in the end him giving the money to his alt.. not only this but he used this newly found money to attack and completly 0 at least 15 bil worth of ships + maraines

Borg and midnight knew what they were doing, and therefore it isnt a matter of "well they didnt know".  I this want them to follow the rules shown above, about manipulateing the rules, Deleting of his account - and mabey even punishing Midnight for helping borg in this crime

if you need proof here is the ToS

http://www.forum.spaceodyssey.biz/index.php?topic=17.0

Well I have not talked with Borg about this yet myself.  however,  If this is true it is a clear violation of the TOS Terms of service.  I am of the opinion that if this is true  Borg should have his alt accounts blocked for a period of time or Deleted.  I do not have a problem with him trading goods and stuff to his alliance member.  however when that alliance member then trades those same items to borgs alt, if this is true,  I have not talked to Borg.  Only to Lamma, and I dont think he has a reason to lie about it.  since he and another older member are the reason the rule was created. Doing it directly to thier alts.  another option is that Borg make restitution to all those that his alt attacked after that.  Borg is a veteran player and knows that it is the spirit of the game that he is breaching,  If this is true.  punishment and an example must be made.  I do not what to see Borgs main account harmed,  But his alts should be either blocked or deleted and he should not be able to create more alts for the rest of this round.  that is if this is true.  I have not confirmed this with Borg myself.

and what would this do? nothing really? i want borg himself punished and possible even midnight too for helping him do this, mabey not deletion, but like a tempary ban something like  a couple days, mabey a week were thier accounts freeze, this would show them what happenes to them when they break the rules thats if ppl dont want them deleted

lamma i wouldnt have done it if yu hadnt cheaply attacked every member of my alliance and yes i do admit to it but please dont ban my main account

okay then how about like 1 week ban.. you deserve some sort of punishment for that...

and no i didnt cheeply attack all your members, i didnt abuse any rules posted in the Tos, all i would do is bounty attack them, whenver they were in range, and if not i would do missions to get into range.

ask all of them, Spayed, Farzard, and Wesling God i never scouted once, i only ever bountied it was mostly their falt for not propaly gaurding there ships, the reason why they were taken so easly..

as for the rest, im pretty sure useing an alt to attack people isnt against the rules, and i dont attack only your allaince, i dont even single them out. i actally attack pretty much anyone that i can see with the least amount of ships, ask who has been attacked by skum bag. just about everyone

you attacked wrestling god who know how many times he said he ran out of money resupplying marines to get back up

i did 3 bounties, and the first one my ships that i attacked with had no marianes...

but still once i lost like 2 bil maraines i didnt want to give up on a huge loss, i hit one more time and captured, the selling of the ships was about the samd as how much a lost + like 200mil...

Well, I am going to state this one for the record... "I had nothing to do with this transaction, or anything related to assisting the borg"

ouch borg.. dose this mean you lied? and did the money trade directly?? that makes it so much more worse, you violated the rule directly

barring the part abotu midnight involvment (not sure who to believe so not posting an opinion either way) my opinion, for what it counts for, is that borg definitly broke rules to get his alt money form himself, however lamma was attackign all his alliance members while he was truced with borg for another week+, so its not liek borg just did it to safeguard the lead... nyways my opinion is that borg should be punished, but not deleted or banned permanently

well the punishment should be something like his account frozen for a week...

or if it was a direct trade to his alt this should be punished more serverly like being banned for the reaminder of the round...

Well Im not sure what to think, but im sure it will come to me while im typing this :P
So Borg, did what we all used to do, hand money to alts to have some fun, you did it I .. actully have never had an alt but ill pretend i did it too :P I say ya its against the rules but.... well there is no but... well i mean everyone has a butt.. but....thats beside the point... hmm i need to go to bed... oh okay enough comic relief... although there wasnt much cmedy involved... okay I say..... and the final judgement is..... dang, I thought it would come to me but it didnt.... I like borg,... but thats not cool what he did... so... how about an account reset? if he donated at all simply take the amount he donated and start his new account with that amount of donation at the current rate of exchange.

Seriously. Emi, this is a direct violation of YOUR TOS agreement. That thing is your word. If you say their accounts should be deleted or reset, than delete or reset them. If you find himnot guilty, than, tell us all why. I think you should check youre logs, and see who all was involved. If borgs alt was used in relation to midnight, do whats necessary.

Thats my 2 dollars.

Peaciness
---Wes

well im done i quit i remember back in the old days when this was a game filled with nice people but now that lamma is mad about being killed even tho hes 0ed plenty of people in this game not caring what they think is just out of the picture lamma i hope you dont get rank1 after i quit and also light good luck

sure i 0red people, but not by breaking the rules borg...

i did it completly legaly, all that money on my alts was resulted of me taking days to get it..

Lamma has never violated the ToS. And I can give reasonable evidence that a transaction did occur to borgs alt. He made a MAJOR power jump, from having been zeroed, to being strong and hard to beat.

Also, Borg, it doesn't matter if lamma was attacking your members, he is ALLOWED to do that. He is ALLOWED to zero them and wipe them out, in fact, that's what this game IS ABOUT. It's a war game, get over it. You made an extreme violataion of ToS, and I request that borgs alt be deleted, and the account of borg be banned for NO less than a month, though the standard 2 months would be more appropriate. I would say a permanent IP ban for him, but it is his first violation, and even though it is severe, we must be somewhat leanant.

and oh can i have my ships back then :P

and i even got attacked by thouse guys who found the bug lol not my lucky day :S

except he is not the first to do it, even after ToS was put up, you STILL had people doing it.  I suggest lamma be punished exactly what he was asking borg to punished with, no less, for doing THE EXACT SAME THING.  along with all the other 3-4 some people who did it, if you want to get technical.

also,
this means that there is the standard punishment, but the punishment may be more or LESS severe, depending on the conditions.  you will go so quickly to ban him for the rest of the round, but what of his teammates? they will be without their leader rest of the round for something they never did. 

also:
which would mean more then likely, it could be something like this:
 borg's teammate is hit severely, o'd and nebbed.  barely gets enough together during neb to put himself back in the standing, 2 hours before neb ends, you bounty him, (which you may or not be actually truced to at the same time, meaning an attack just went right through both a truce AND a neb) taking everything away AGAIN, neb ends, leaving him wide open to all out assault from everyone around. he finally goes into neb again, and what does he have to look forward to?  getting blasted the second he is bounty-able again?  you try getting anywhere while making sure you cannot be bountied at any one time, for fear of someone coming in and instantly 0'ing you the second you do.  I wouldn't even want to play a game like that.

I'm not saying this DID happen, but very easily could have.  what I see here is, is that borg should have gave money to someone, like midnight, then told THEM what to do.  that is his mistake, not feeding a lower account.  feeding a lower account came in where -someone- *cough*lamma*couch, cough* would sit there feeding his lower alt with credits for tinymen, making his alt near unstoppable, to pummel everyone around the lwoer rank, giving them no chance to advance.

I see here, borg trying to PROTECT HIS TEAMMATES THE ONLY WAY HE COULD.  given time, I am sure at some point in time E would put in an alliance vault update THAT WOULD HELP DO THE EXACT THING BORG WAS TRYING TO DO.

and another point, while I am on it.  lamma, if you bountied them while they in neb, how did you find them in the nebm TO bounty them, and them STILL be hiding in a nebula?  and if it was a covert operation, how would he know YOU did it? 

E, you need to do some changes to bounty:
1: you can only attack when they are not bountied
2: it leaves no counter
3: succesful bounties will leave them with no name or ID as to WHO did it.  unsuccesful bounties will leave who did it, MAYBE a counter.

and yes, this ALL has to do with this topic.

I seriously doubt Borg would have had to resort to this if:
1: alliance vault was up, where he could help rebuild teammates accounts
2: neb protected you from ALL attacks, other then counters, which is your own fault.  not MOST attacks, where you may still be damaged in DAMAGE protection.

and to further 'hit the nail on the head'

lamma, if the situation was reversed, and the only choice you had left to help your teammates was to do what borg did, and you only did enough damage to stop the attacks from coming, and someone finds out and insists YOU get all alt's deleted AND main account banned up rest of the round (which, mind you, can be all the way up to several MONTHS) how would YOU feel?  you just succefully tried to drive a good player away from his game, because of ONE mistake.

YES, he should be punished, don't get me wrong, but not by going all getout when he had no other choice in good conscience.  I mean, he did not SEVERELY break the rules, as you all like to claim, JUST BECAUSE HE WAS BEATING YOU.  a SEVERE break of it would have been if he all of a sudden 0'd every person from rank 50-200.  but all I hear, is that he simply came up to retaliate where his teammates COULD NOT.  because every time they started building back up, you would tear them right back down again.  YES, this is a war game, seither, but I would bet some of those people lamma hit where NEBBED at the time, hiding, trying to re-build, and get ready to make their next move, when they get tore down AGAIN.

and quite frankly, reading this thread almost made ME want to quit.  one mistake by the current #1, and you all want him banned, deleted, and blocked the rest of his life.  YOU GUYS ALMOST MADE ME SICK!

edit:

don't you mean  "You may _not_ finance a lower power ALT account with a higher power one in order to do damage to lower people using the higher account resources"

otherwise, he would have been at fault, even if he simply gave the creds to someone else and told them to handle it.  you were a 'lower person' wiping it his 'lower people'  and you are saying he should have simply set back and watched you completely own his entire team.

and another thing, if you did ALL those bounties and attacks, wouldn't that give you a large bounty range, ABOVE all the lower people's range limits?  If I am right, that bountying someone halves their bounty, either they purposely raised their bounty, or you lowered your bounty range, there is no other way you could attack THE SAME person 3 times through bounty.

now, if his teammates where before attacking everyone else, making sure they didn't get very far, and you were taking them out, I could see that, but that doesn't look like the case.

ya, and if a general sees his armies getting slaughtered by the thousands, and he had the power to save them, do you think he would sit back and do nothing?

ok, I already said what I thought about the bounty system, now as far as Borg, he DID break the ToS, even I see that, and no matter the reason, it was done.  but after going through all that, the MAX, that should be done is 2-3 week ban to deletion/taking away ability to use alts. as far his main account, his main account as had nothing been done wrong, if anything he just lost all those credits he used. 

but to say that going into a vacation mode for a couple days, is severely hindering your account to the point where you are giving up first place, and then say that the only minimal acceptable punishment is banning for at least a month?  MAKE UP YOUR MIND!

okay ars you got this all wronge, i never game tiny man to my alt few rounds agao, that was agrus, he gave me the tiny man 4 fleets of them to attack nicholas with, but i failed and lost 2 of the 4 fleets, then i used them every once in a while to attack people untill i ran out,
i never really gave my alts money it was usally Argus, Wizard, and once nicholas D wulfwood, and if i did give my alts money it was usally no more than 10-20 bil (at a time when people had trillions this was nothing)

and i was not at all trused with Borgs allaicne, i even told him i was going to attack his people, he was the one truseing me, for the sake of himself, then later midnight trused me too


and he didnt give money to midnight, i talked to midnight and he said he wasnt involed in it, then he said he was leaving the space pirates due to Borg trying to frame him... so therefore borg actally gave money to his alt directly

and now emi is ignoreing the messeges i sent him... i lost my chance to ever get 1st or even 2nd beacuse of borg cheating like that, and i dont even get rembursted? whats up with that, and know im afraid that if emi dose remburst he would reset my account to before the attack makeing me lost like 1300 turns... sure i want what i lost by borgs illeagal move... but i dont know how?.. i want the ships the little cheated killed... or at least the money i lost from them... i mean his alt took out a 4.8 bil and a 2.4bil ship completly full of marianes, like they were scrap metal...

I definitly think lamma should get his stuff back, and im the one who would profit least from this since then he would be alot closer to me then any1 else is now.... but yes he lost it unfairly he should get it back.

Ars, I say a month because it would hurt borg and he would learn a lesson. And when lamma gave his account money, Sir Emi dealt with it, as I was reimburshed for attacks by lamma's alts. And Like I said, borg violated ToS, it doesn't matter why he did it, the fact of the matter is he did it. If you commit murder, even if it was to save your family, you still get a full sentence for the crime.

meaning at some point you DID do it, lamma.


meaning lamma (through his own admission) HAS done it nonetheless, and not punished.  I think this is more like you can't belive someone else would do what you all did before. 

and another thing, actually luffy, no, you would not get full sentence, if almost any sentence, because then it would be considered self-defense.  and if not self-defense, then not pre-meditated murder.  which is a huge difference in punishment from 'accidental' or 'on the spot' murder.

this is what I say should be done:
1: fix the bounty so neb IS damage protection, the only thing that hits you is what you had coming to you.
2: borg reset to begginning -or- blocked for at MAXIMUM a week.  (because then he would lose all chance to be #1, as while he chills out, everyone else would grow in power.)  -or- nothing to borg (his main account didn't cheat.  if he found a bug, and exploited it, you don't reset everyone around him to, just the person's that did something wrong, the problem is not the borg transferred credits to, the problem is what the other person used it for)
3: alt's deleted (meaning all money he transferred is now gone, along with all fleets he built with it)

if you punish borg's main account for what he did with his alts, you only further prove there is no distinction between alts.

and even then, do you know if borg is single and without kids?  what if someone else does the exact same thing borg did later on, and you go ahead and ban him, ban his alts, block his IP, and do all this WHEN IT WON'T EVEN MATTER ONCE THE ROUND ENDS ANYWAY, then come to find out someone else playing his account did it?  what will visitors to his site think?  when you allow something, THEN BAN THEM FOR DOING IT.

and another thing, I don't know if this OCCURED to any of you, but if I was caught helping breaking a rule, OF COURSE I would be at the least majorly tempted to say I didn't do it.  THE ONLY,  and I mean THE ONLY, ones who can more then likely know whether if midnight was involved, beyond shadow of a doubt, is:
1: midnight himself
2: Borg
3: E
4: anyone else who logs onto either of their accounts -maybe-

and no one else.  all others can simply be lied to, and you wouldn't know the difference.  I amke this point because I THOUGHT EMI ALREADY MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO TRADE DIRECTLY BETWEEN OTHERS ACCOUNTS. 

ya i didnt know if midnight was lieing thats why i added the "i got word" part...

yes i did do it (monkey you got rembiursted?? didnt know that) but my punishment was that emi pretty much went up and told me to NOT trade to other players, and oddly i lissened to him, and never traded again, even though i get people in my allaince asking for money i say no, and when they say the spaceballs are doing it, ill say im not like the spaceballs, i dont approve of it...

but emi did msg me (i would cheak for it, but 2 lazy to surch though like 300 messeges lol) telling me not to trade with other players, and to this day you cant find one person i traded to...

exactly my point lamma, and then you find out borg did it, and as far as you know, that is the only time, he may not even be warned.  and yet it sounds to me you won't accept anything less then:
1: his main account banned
2: all alts banned
3: his IP blocked from the game indefinetely.

If I had someone tell me that was what they are going to make sure happens as punishment, I would just leave and forget the whole place.  then what happens when I meet someone down the road asking about this game?  I sure am not going to be saying happy things about it. 

yes, he should have know, that's why the ToS is there, but for crying out loud, you all sounded like you wanted to go blow up his house or something! 

nope mosltly wanted him punished for a while... but for the most part I WANTED MY SHIPS BACK or at least the money i lost, 15 bil was alot (4.8nbil 2.4bil ship both full marianes)

lamma, I hope you did not get your ships back.  looking at other threads now, I see I was wrong to.  borg did what any other half decent commander would have done.  and that was to do whatever was in his power to protect his alliance members from getting tore apart.

by your own admission, those ships you lost were used to zero borg's alliance member's mission ships, 'making them unable to ever take the top 10 again'

sounds to me, you were just one sore loser, lamma.  who was looking for something to strike back at with.  seriously, you probably would have said the exact same thing, even if he just gave that money to a friend, or alliance member.  what WOULD have been the difference between borg giving those credits to an alt, and giving those credits to another one of his alliance members?  from the sound of it, none whatsoever.  the first place you still would have been was here saying how unfair it was to lose ships YOU WERE ATTACKING HIS ALLIANCE WITH.  no, I don't think any punishment should have come to borg.  and while it may be to late now, I at least have corrected myself here for all to see. 

lamma, I hope you are proud of yourself, you just forced someone who liked this game away, probably forever, just to get some ships back and a 2nd chance at top 10, when you already won a round yourself.

and to the rest of you, congratulations, you just punished someone for protecting his own alliance the only way he could, nothing more, nothing less.  bravo.

I say it again, the things you guys said here almost made me sick.  to think you would go off on something as trivial as this, and then pretend you are all 'friendly' to everyone else.  news flash, borg didn't leave because of the punishment.  HE LEFT BECAUSE OF YOUR ATTITUDE.

my basis for this theory on his actions:

ars, borg is one of the oldest players here, almost as old as Sir Emi and HAS been told before. That's the point. Lamma should be reimbursed, and borg should be punished.

lamma should be reimbursed... but wont be... same as me and Farzad who lost over 20bil to choam when he abused a bug, and evry1 else he hit...

ur talking of the old borg. ppl change, and the borg u see now aint the borg whos almost as old as emi.

man ars, cool it with the insults  :4:

he broke the rules no matter what if he wanted to do the "best thing for his allaince" that would be to A: have waited 5 days for the truse to end or B: gotten the money needed to break the truse and attack.. there was no need to break the rules...

no matter a players greatness, or oldness or repeutation they should all be treated equaly. donsnt mean beacuse i been top ten now 3 times, that if i break i rule i would get an exception or a warning, were as if some guy at rank 100 with a number 30k+ breaks a rule he gets banned..

failry, not on who has the best rep