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Cameron and I have been talking and I believe that he should be given an opportunity to explain things from his perspective.

Please note: All moderators, please do not move, block or delete this topic.

Just one thing I want to point out: This whole issue with Cameron and him being banned is not as black and white or simple as it seems. In his post he had highlighted several things wrong with the game. I hope that big boss of this game read his post and specifically reply to the notion that he has taken on too many projects.

From Cameron:


First of all I was given no warning, no message or anything, just stripped of admin powers and banned for 30 days, also my chat box on main was taken away for whatever reason.. I never abused any of my admin powers other than the fact that I called emi out on some things and cussed which i shouldn't have cussed like I did on the forums I will admit that..

[Edited out false accusations]

But my big problem with the games... the new covert ops are crap, this round there has been so many "bugs" found.. the chicken/akran planet attack that he changed so quickly even though it has been that way for rounds, He made game rules and they are very lenient, but even when people break game rules nothing is done.


[Edited out false accusations]

and the so called "rule" you can raid people if your already in the top 10 is just dumb... it doesn't matter if they are already in the top 10 by raiding someone no matter what the circumstance you bettered your position in the rankings even if it be by just a little...

[Edited out. This is a game and all donations are to support and improve the game]

I personally think you have taken on too much with the 3 spaceo servers, sea-o and the hacker project.. you need help with this because obviously you can't handle all the mails and everything on your own...

We need stricter game rules with people actually enforcing them to ensure a fair game, you need to really check on your updates, really test them and take in player info about them and make changes if need be and changes are usually needed..

These are some of the reason why so many players are lost on this game.. Its really not a fair game.. its just who you know anymore.. Something needs to be done differently

[TNTTony edit-I want to make it clear that the "edits" above are made by Sir Emi and not by me.]

Thanks Tony for letting Cam be heard and i agree with everything he said and i myself should have been punished for what i said to Jbomb even if i am right.

hey, he was a Senior Moderator so he no better :atention:

If you relly want me to i will go thro every post of his to show all his names calling i will.  It not just them 2 post i did i could of dun more.

I HAVE NOT DUN ANYTHINK WRONG :atention:!!

what you right about?

Jonathan,

I don't think Tony's post or in fact Cam comments are directed at you, so I have no idea why you are taking offence.

I, personally, don't particularly like how this episode was handled and if you read Cameron's comments (in an unbiased fashion) you will see that he admitted his language was inappropriate and recognises some sanction needed to be levied. I will say you seem to have a personal axe to grind and it is not necessary. I truly hope that Emi does not manage this game based on the "howling of the mob" and actually takes a more considered view on the issues raised.

Cameron is raising (as a consequence of this issue) some valid and wider problems with this game as it currently stands. He would actually be doing you and every other player a disservice if he didn't voice his opinions. I'm sure everyone who plays wants to see this game as a fair contest between those that participate, hell, the suggestions section is full of ideas so there is plenty of interest in making this as good as possible.

I would suggest Jonathan that you stop crowing about your part in the above events and start considering the wider issues. Namely, feeding and raids to boost people beyond their current placings (you do know about this), favouritism and the other points raised.

I'm not really sure that silencing or trying to silence Cameron is very helpful either, whether you agree with him or not.


Voltaire:-

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

why should he get a warning he is a Senior Moderator, he no 100% if he out of line somethink will happen.

btw i this is not the first time i reported cameron by calling people ( retared ).
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Do quote me on this if any moderator do have to do this.

( i bet before anyone become a moderator you have to read somethink and say, yes to all on somethink before you become a moderator).

can i have the link to moderator rules plzs.

I will agree with one thing. Emi does seem to have progressed too quickly horizontally instead of expanding vertically to a sufficient point first.
From a business standpoint, that is a common mistake with people who undertake a business without proper training in the business field. The reasoning is that people see profit through horizontal expansion quicker, but end up shooting themselves in the foot in the long-term.

About Cameron,
I believe Cameron has a good heart, per se. However this action against him has been long coming. Cameron has had a negative attitude for a long time, and I completely understand why. I get really mad when I start thinking about all the problems with this game, but I try to approach it in a civil/mature/sophisticated manner as I believe that is the best way to get things done; as opposed to just raw unfiltered illicit attitude, which is all I've seen from Cameron.

Was the situation handled the best way possible? Of course not - Emi doesn't have time to do that, as already mentioned.

Should Cameron be reinstated? Not a chance. I do not believe that his attitude is one that should represent Emi, or Space O as a whole.

Are the points he brings up about the game logical/appropriate/valid? Most assuredly! However these are nothing that have not already been brought up through numerous forum threads.

Please understand I believe Cams actions were not constructive, having a 1 man crusade against authority is seldom successful.

This "explosion" is overdue but we shouldn't allow the minutiae of Cameron's status to distract us from the issues that caused it. Cam I feel was fighting for the right things but with the wrong weapons, tactics, terrain and coffee.

Wes, you correctly state that none of the issues raised are exactly new, so I can understand the frustration felt if there seems to be no progress on getting these resolved. Maybe it needed something as dramatic as this to make something happen, as an American surely you will appreciate that occasionally "the tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of patriots". ;-)

hmm. This is just my opinion, I think removing mod on cam should be done because if you're a mod you should act the right way
But the banning thingy on him? I think it should be removed. Cause nobody warned him and suddenly he gots banned lol
That's all :D

Ow btw.... Camerons ban has.... euhm.... expired  :D

I'd voice my mind..... if I could keep a "civil tone" while doing so, so I better not do that.



@Jonathan last warning, do not double post

The very things he's complaining about hes guilty of himself. He's crying because he got butthurt by a covert ops counter that occured to the kyle account after Cameron used that account to tiny people he couldnt otherwise engage. He had been raiding that account all round, and using it like his own alt and now hes screwed bc his gravy train went broke. Get over it Cam. And I see this as cameron using tony to get around his ban. He was banned for a good reason ( not even for his own violations of the tos mind you) and he has no right to use another person to keep speaking on the subject.

well if spayed gave him that account then that is cammy's alt and he has every right to attack whomever he wishes so u get over it :P. from my experience, i know that cam is infact capable of being in the top ten and just because he is voicing his opinions, doesn't make him a bad guy. and lets face it its not like none of us has ever cussed on a forum so even if he was a mod, that penalty was a bit too high. i say if thats wat the punishment is then everyone on the forum should get an immediate ban of 30 days or however long cammy's is/ was

And to that I say emi said cameron never raided kyle's account so...

No, EMI stated the ips didn't match. He never said he didnt raid it. I, and several others, personally had seen cam raiding kyles planet (news doh!). Kyle himself said cam was the only other person who had the password for his account. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what cam was up to, and if that wasnt enough, when kyle's account lost about 17 quad bc of the covert ops counter, cam powered up to finish raiding the scraps from kyles account. So before you invent poop how about relying on facts.

Agreed to all  :D :D

If we are talking about applying the rules, then as the recipient of a raid very early in the round then I should suffer similar sanction, I have been offered other raids and the opportunity to acquire a planet, all of which I have turned down.

Jonathan, you agree that raids are a part of the rules if you are in the top 10, as it wont change that much, so..

How to your rationalize the raid you gave Grondovar on the 18th of May, when you weren't in the top 10 and he certainly wasn't.

I'm getting tired of the scapegoating on this, making Cam the focus of the issue so nothing needs to be done about the fundamental problems.

However in response to Clouthour,
"lets face it its not like none of us has ever cussed on a forum so even if he was a mod, that penalty was a bit too high. i say if thats wat the punishment is then everyone on the forum should get an immediate ban of 30 days or however long cammy's is/ was"

Seems I will be left talking to myself in here when you lot are all banned :19:

Yeah, I agree. A lot of people have abused stuff, not just Cam supposedly. And I cuss on forums all the time and was never banned. Seems like a bias towards extremely outspoken people to save emi's ass.

18th may? what you on about,  speak up

kinda stupid thing to say as he has already told u the reason :P

der....... never

i said speak up because he never put in chat what Grondovar said ,"it cost him more in credits to power up in pships than raiding me"

so next time fester dont put rubbis here.

Hmm, I honestly can't remember that last time what Fester said wasn't creditable. Can anyone else?

mwahaha guess who's back... but yeah.. some things in this game need to be addressed

aww cam you been crying to much i see.

Jonathan has too much of a bias against cam to be allowed to post in such topics.

jbombs trolling on the forums and making off topic posts again... someone ban him.. he really needs it... keep on topic

also i don't have a chatbox on main... and was never given a reason for it to be taken away in the first place... i would enjoy having my chatbox back

this is not fair he had 30days ban that is why i said he been crying to much over it.

oh who said i have anything agains cam?

Jbomb.. really if your going to just have your own conversation on here take it to private message or the whatever section... this topic actually has important things on it that need to be talked about without these other interruptions

What Cameron did was unacceptable, rude and insulting. And it's not the first time he did it.

"Space Odyssey upholds high standards of moral behavior. Using vulgar words towards other players may also lead to deletion."

That means you should treat Space Odyssey staff in a civilized manner too.

this is important, this is unfair to everyone who has had days banned on the forum for you haveing 30days you only had a fews days you said it yourself in game chat just now.

quote:
Cammys Here(#100550): i'll just ask some mod friends to do it again
DJ J-Bomb(#11554):  had that move on
Cammys Here(#100550): you should be perma banned
DJ J-Bomb(#11554): i what?
Aussie Bell(#1108): bans arent crap..you stayed banned until ken got stupid.


so if the ingame mods want to look at the time Current server time: 2010-5-24 14:2

look back 30mints to see the chat.

and the mods who unbanned cam should get taken of being a mod aswell going angis there mods rules.

I already said I shouldn't have done so.. I also believe the players in the game should be treated in a civilized manner
ha say whatever you want jbomb.. you've been prancing around chat claiming you got me banned I don't care.. ive said what i need to say, you don't follow the rules on this forum and you never have.. all you do is troll on topics, post off topic and make no sense at all.. you should be perma banned as you have been warned 10000000000 times more than anyone else

Wow. You disregard all the important stuff. Way to go Emi. Way to go.


Since Emi didn't catch the importance of this topic, I am done. Done donating. Buying gold account. Playing. Done. As should everyone else fed up with his stuff be..


@ j bomb's post. Just...oh my god...stop! Jesus!

well as for cam's ban i have no comment as for the stuff cam was saying about the game there needs to be some changes made as i enjoy the game but some items as far as attacks and counters have gotten out of hand. one being the use of scouting and opponent and not leaving a counter and the covert ops are not totally bad it just needs some tweeking. and on another note nice to have you back cam you do keep the game interesting.  B-)

Your insults made you lose your right to post until you revise your language.



Any changes made are for the good of the game. What you think is crap is your problem. There was no favoritism.



This rule will be no more in a short while, when it won't be so profitable anymore to raid bases. When raiding, a percentage of the spoils will be lost.



I am actually very active on all servers and responding to all relevant messages. You send me spam messages, your response will be delayed.
I am always working on new updates, and also have time to develop some other projects. Maybe I don't read all the forums all the the time, but I certainly read the relevant topics.

The rules are clear about alts. Each day we are working on improving the system to make it more fair for everyone. If you don't agree with the TOS about alt accounts, then you should not play.

 :pistols: :pistols: :pistols: EMI JUST KILLED IT OFF!!!  :)) (btw if some of u guys dont know wat that means then, well watch some tv and get a life)

All I have to say is lol  :))

Really? More fair? All I see is some worthless updates. Where's the one about alts?

Ya honestly this game is going downhill very fast....  If we want to keep players/gain new ones we need some SERIOUS change around here......

Emi this is just the tip of the Iceberg and alot of these things mentioned are why i quit SO main and also turned my alliance over to deerslayer although i love pvp i won't put up with the current system so i'm stuck on pve until things are changed or someone comes up with a similar type of game

The reason why I posted Cameron's opinion is because I believed this would be the only way to elicit a response from the big boss about some of the issues surrounding the game.

It is obvious that Cameron is no longer moderator. To be perfectly honest he is better off not being a moderator since I personally feel that non--moderators are able to speak their minds more than moderators.

In terms of Cameron's "ban", I think that is between the big boss, Cameron and possibly ftp (I'm assuming he is involved). If you have problems then please speak directly to those three.

Is it just me or does Emi kind of sound like he's fed up with all of our suggestions/complaining?

Yep exactly.. and this is why i think this game isn't going to live up to its potential.. it could be a great game with hundreds of online people at a time.. you say these things i talked about arent a problem emi but I have players supporting some of the things I said talking about how some changes need to may.. and if just a few people on the forums think it.. no telling how many in game think it... this forum isnt the most active or have alot of users...

Cameron makes excellent points...  These are MAJOR problems we are talking about here...  you cant just ignore the wants of the players for a better game, otherwise those players will leave...  And that includes some of the best players you have.  You really dont want to lose them.  I have already quit this game a few times but end up coming back, but the way it is going right now i just might quit for good.

Are you calling yourself one of the best players there grin...

No i am certainly not calling myself one of the best players (as i most definately am not one) i am just pointing out that he will lose a lot of players including some of his best players.  notice that the word including means having some, but not made up entirely of.  :p

i think i have sworn at just about everyone that has ever played. both in forums, private messages and ingame chat...
no action ever taken against me... why invent rules when they only suit you emi...

not sure i would tempt him... (you know you'll be back... eventually :P)

meh, probably, but ill give other people chances to win first :D

also sweet edits on the post i made... that was pointless

Lol he editted your messages  0o

yeah

shut the f**k up spayed, wow so alot has been going on new things and seems like the universe is falling apart interesting, well i have no intentions of playing, just checking up on whats been going on lol.

good game all

Smee

oh FYI to whom ever was talking about the best, lol the best has already left this universe, and have moved on :)

ahh blow me smee :D

there's no sense in moving this topic... this was a topic relevant to spaceo main server specifically and if anything needs to be moved to suggestions or back to general discussion

Cam i wish you luck Emi screwed SO Main  up so bad now i doubt i would ever come back and last i checked there were only two active members in RT. NICE JOB EMI!!!!!!!!!

cam got banned!?!?

well cam, sucks for you cause i got that first... yah, get used to it - it's what happens when you get mod powers then talk out against the game...

somebody ban this idiot again ^
He annoys me.

I heard that llamalord guy was stealing candy from all the babies in seao

lmao have we really started this again?  i think we should pronounce this the "pointless banter thread"

can we just lock this now? the discussion has finished and its getting pointless and random now.