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I thought that using multiple / duplicate accounts for personal gain - like to keep launching attacks on the same players is against game rules?

Otherwise players can start creating duplicate / bodyguard accounts and keep bashing / bullying other players....

I represent a few players, and we would like to lodge a report against monkey™(#39433) who is also known as A^Bloody^Idiot(#8752).

Both of them are the same person who has been using both the accounts to launch multiple / grudge attacks as well as to bully and threaten players....when 1 account is out of range, he will use the other account to attack....

Isn't it the same as using duplicate accounts for selfish / personal gain?

As for what proof I have that they are the same player?

I have 2 threatening messages in my inbox from him. 2 threatening messages from different accounts but are
making the same request as well as identifying him as the same person....

He has also been bullying other players, launching multiple attacks using his multiple accounts and sending them threatening messages....

The 2 messages I have in my inbox are below - it is obvious that they are one and the same player....

"monkey™(#39433)
2008-12-09 07:06:11
WAR

as i am the leader of earthlings i am to do my best to keeppeople from using out logo and i see that you have dishonnored out logo by changing the backround of it and a thius is the one and only alliance witch is allowed to use earthlings logo by copyright and so we have delcaired war aganst all milky way alliance members hope it was worth it while it lasts

A^Bloody^Idiot(#8752)
2008-12-09 16:04:45
Attacks

News
A^Bloody^Idiot(#8752) made a successful attack and StargateSG1(#105113) lost 1.098.000 fleet power.

A^Bloody^Idiot(#8752) made a successful attack and Cig(#105687) lost 14.589.308 fleet power.

A^Bloody^Idiot(#8752) made a successful attack and _Nightdagger(#105522) 15.395.910 fleet power.

The reason why I attack your alliance is 'cus of the simple fact that you stole the logo of the alliance which I created, I demand that you take another logo without that Earth with rings in it!
Otherwise the attacks will continue...

I am talking about the logo of the Earthlings, they originally had it, and you just gave it a different background, change it or face the conciquences..."

We long since changed our logo, yet he still keeps using his mutiple accounts to attack, bully and threaten players. We strongly believe that this is using multiple accounts for personal gain. And it is against Fair Play. Otherwise we can all have Bodyguard accounts to launch multiple attacks and bully other players....

We have confidence that the Games Admin believe and uphold Fair Play in the game and will look into this. A reply is much appreciated....

Thank you

Just to clarify, is monkey and a bloody idiot currently in the same alliance?

The last we saw no....monkey is the leader of the alliance

While the last time we checked, bloody idiot was not in any alliance....not sure as of now...

Very sneaky of him, but if he had kept his mouth shut we would never have realized the connection between the two - or rather they are the same person using duplicate accounts to bodyguard himself and bully / threaten players....

It was his messages that gave him away - similar messages / threats from 2 different accounts...

We then compared notes among us and realised that he has been doing multiple attacks on us...

And I have kept those 2 messages in my game mail inbox as evidence...

"Bodyguard" accounts are not allowed right? It goes against Fair Play doesn't it? Otherwise we will have players with multiple / bodyguard accounts launching repeated attacks / retaliations....

Well...you did steal their logo. So it makes sense that multiple people from that alliance would be pissed. So you kind of brought this on yourselves. As to whether or not they are the same person, I can't say for sure, but the messages don't sound alike other than the topic, which as I said before, you brought upon yourselves.

2 seperate issues here blakranger51....and actually only 1...

1) The issue here ain't about using someone else's alliance logo. If you read our very first posting, we said that we changed the logo a long time ago, so that issue is moot. And if you read Bloody Idiot's message that we posted, he did say that the attacks will stop when the logo is changed....yet the attacks & threatening messages still continue...

Anyway, that's besides the point....

The point is this...

2) If you read our very first post carefully, we are NOT complaining about mutliple attacks from members of that alliance. In fact, NONE of the members have attacked us. Just their leader monkey & bloody idiot who ( the last ime we saw ) wasn't in any alliance at all...

And from bloody idiot's message - which we posted - he clearly states it is his logo as he "created" it...

So we're NOT talking about attacks from other alliance members, I am talking about repeated attacks from the SAME player using multiple accounts....

That I feel is against Fair Play...

We would never have known the connection between the two if not for the 2 messages which I first posted earlier on...


So our issue once again is - you mean it's ok to have MULTIPLE / BODYGUARD ACCOUNTS where the player can threaten, bully, launch repeated attacks / retaliations etc?

That doesn't sound fair....but if it's ok in this game then please say so...then I'm sure a lot of us will know what to do....

Anyway, thank you blakranger51 for your time and insights....

Ok, first off, ABI is now a G-unit member.

Secondly, neither account was BENIFITINGthe other from those attacks, he did not use one to finance or boost the other's power, merely to hit you, that IS allowed, as it is playing as two seperate accounts.

Thirdly, those messages do not "implicate" that they are the same person. The only connection is they are both attacking you, and that one is the LEADER of the alliance, and the other is the CREATOR, which is a difference. Example, I lead g-unit but am not it's creator.

Fortha and finally, ABI can keep attacking you guys if he wishes, there is nOTHING saying he has to honor what he said about stopping once the logo was changed. maybe he felt you took to long, or maybe he just doesn't like you.

And what aBI and monkey are doing to you is an age old tactic from the old days of SO called Team bashing. Two or more alliance mates, or even friends, will team up and attack the same few people and destroy everything they have, crippling them much more than any one player could on thier own. This tactic was widely used to knock out entire alliances for 3 to 4 days minimum back then.

So to answer your question in short form, as long as your main or alt accounts are not benifiting ANY of your other accounts, no ToS are being broken.

Also, I'm reasonably certain monkey is NOT ABI. ABI was an old g-unit member, and i don't ever recall him making that account, though I can't say for sure.

Also, there is no "Fair Play" rules, just ToS. This is a cutthroat game, you either stay within ToS and kick butt or perish. We're not here to hold your hand, learn to PvP right and defend well or lose all your ships.

and PS, a LOT of the players on SO have alts, you jsut don't know it. I can almost promise you that you have at least 1 or 2 alts in your alliance, especially if you have a lot of alliance members.

I can say i dont think that ABI and monkey are the same person so this is mute

Back when before SO WARS started I ( insert laughter here ) remember ABI starting earthlings but I also remember him passing the monkey account and leadership of earthlings alliance to someone else.

nothing wrong here that I can see

Yep, before you accuse anyone, you need conclusive proof that its an alt attack- and the Pm IMHO shows that ABI is NOT same person-otherwise why would he send you two threat messages? And secondly even IF he was the same person as monkey, then to call it an alt abuse, you will need to show us two attacks by his accounts on ONE PLAYER within 24 hours of each other. Only then its abuse.

Hm...ok then....thanx for all the inputs and insights....I appreciate the replies...

Yeah unfortunately in this game, its hard to prove whether a person has abused alts...

On the other hand, keep your eyes peeled, and if you get more evidence, post it and we'll review it again.
Until then it looks like this topic has been discussed enough.

they arent the same person.. this topic is senseless

try to be nice cameron, he only said he THOUGHT they might be, and wanted clarification on what wasn't allowed via the ToS. He got his answers. No need to be rude about it.

yeah right., he was just asking questions

and later in that same post he named the reason why he thought they were the same and asked about the rules.
way to post out of context cameron, as there he is merely saying he;d LIKE to lodge a complain, not is. Go back to your grinding.

LOL! This just cracked me up!  :))

yeah my bad your right

yea he was saying he knew for sure they are the same person.

im pritty sure that they are not the same people

the way i read it, it sounds like he was pretty sure they were the same person, but wanted to see if it was even against the rules (which WAS his inquiry either way.)

and i have comfirmation that ABI and monkey are 2 different people.

hmm well you need to learn to read then, he said they was the same person he had proof and he wanted to report them

rite there he is saying that he knows for certain that they are the same person...
thats not asking

but he ASKED if it was against ToS, which even if they were the same, it isn't, as they were played as seperate people. So what he SAID is mute, as well as the fact that I KNOW they're NOT the same person.

u missed the point completely, we wernt talking about if it was against tOS OR not, it was about him being the same player....

Oh welll, ya, but at that point, i think most people would assume the way he did. But you have a point.

I think this topic needs to be locked  :P

Seither, you really need to cool off more. You obviously haven't changed since you lost your cool and deleted half the forum, you're still hot headed and angry. You need to sit down, shut up, and read carefully before blasting your opinion into topics that don't even need opinions in them.

funny, I am calm. And if I hadn't changed, Emi would already have rebanned me, so obviously he sees i have.

And I never "lost my cool". I stated it, and told others to state it, that I deleted what I did to get Emi's attenton, and it worked. Drastic, yes. but something had to be done, and no one had the balls to do it. So i stepped up. I didn't beg to be unbanned, as i was still allowed to play the game. I stated my case, why i did what i did, and why i'd like to be unbanned, and he accepted and agreed.

you need to get your facts straight, and quit being so uptight. The internet is a free place, if i put my opinion in somewhere, you either like it and reply, hate it and reply, or ignore it. Maybe you should do the 3rd if my opinion bothers you so much.

So anyone else wanna take a crack or insult me? really, i'm quite use to it now, and it doesn't bother me. So come at me with your biggest and baddest keystrokes, show me what you got.

and on topic, yes spayed i did miss the point, my bad. You guys ARE correct, he stated they were the same person and then asked if it was against ToS.

and yes, this topic is beyond needing locked.