Forum - Space Odyssey MMORPG - a massive free online space game

First off, I'm in a bind, because I want to write a Greasemonkey plugin to tweak SpaceO into having keyboard shortcuts - e.g., M for galaxy map, R for ranking, enter for 'navigate here', and also a key to refresh without popping the question, 'do you want to resend?'.** However, I'm having issues getting greasemonkey to work on epiphany, and firefox is just too d**n slow. Here's a quick breakdown for browsers for SpaceO:
Epiphany: Lightning fast, and beautiful
Opera: Lightning fast, but not so beautiful (and also rendering errors), and it's user scripting bit (greasemonkey-like) is exclusive to Opera, meaning if you write a plugin for opera, it's stuck in opera, and opera's proprietary software ==> evil.
Seamonkey: This is the old mozilla suite. Based on netscape, it's a touch faster than firefox, and I think it's compatable with alot of Firefox plugins.
Firefox: Slow, even on an empty profile (some of you might be interested in adding --profile-manager to the launch command). If you want to see an example of what Greasemonkey can do for a plain UI, look no further than the following links (in order, the actual Greasemonkey plugin and the Advanced Google Keys script for that)
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/748 (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/748)
[url]http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/5711[url]
Internet Explorer: Maybe an older version might be fast - - I haven't actually tried the newest version, with all the catch-up they played to firefox. IE sucks. When I see older, less computer literate people using IE, I flinch, and I let it slide if they really need the simplicity.


**Ok, this is the real reason I decided to post, I blew the browser bit out of proportion...
A very elegant way of building modules in a space station / mining station / planet is you build one module, and just refresh (=> resubmit)  untill the max is built. It cuts down the time req'd to less than a quarter of previous, and the frustration of losing a mining station by an equal amount.

--- If you found this post useful, just give me negative rep. When I derive self-esteem from forum ratings, I use absolute value functions.

--- P.s. emi, please improve the UI; use the tabindex attribute, use shortcut keys...

tech support on a game?

maybe there is a good reason a greasemonkey plugin wont work.. people tried it before, im pretty sure emi updated the game to stop or at least make them harder to get working...

ha this made me giggle

Giggle? I sh*t my pants.

Cleaned this a bit... please be nice :)

...Maybe I can understand why you'd censor the pro-consumer, anti-rights-management rant...

...but the E's mom joke should stand.

unless its part of the game everyone can use its nothing but a cheat, and e should take every measure to gum up any such trash.

poop

you're frikken retarded if you think being able to do things faster is a cheat.
[bold]retarded[/bold].
Cheat = "To violate rules deliberately, as in a game: was accused of cheating at cards."
Where's the rule that says 'YOU WILL CLICK AND NOT PRESS A BUTTON'???
You gonna kick Steven Hawkings out of a chess tournament because he pays someone to move pieces for him?

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[bold]RETARDED[/bold]. I couldn't help myself - tools like ^^^ are why, if I got to choose a super power, I would choose the ability to make anybody anywhere impotent as a deem fit. Sexually impotent, and socially impotent - Your ideas deserve to starve in a sock.

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The Americans With Disabilities Act, and the INTERTUBES

This quote is from a civil suit against AOL, and it sets a precedent that being forced to use a mouse instead of a keyboard is discrimination (you need fine motor skills to use a mouse...).
....obviously, if a third party creates "accessibility software", it would be be less than "undue hardship" to allow it. Therefore, disallowing would be contrary to the ADA, which, after whatsthatname v. Southwest, has jurisdiction over teh blogtubes.


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None of this applies to SpaceO. fkn Canada.

qe2eqe, I do not believe that the General Discussion board is a rant board.  Being called retarded is usually taken as an insult by most, which isn't allowed here, as its rude and inconsiderate to the other players.  If you choose to call someone retarded again, or insult a person/group of people, I will remove for posting ability for say...a week+ depending on the offense.  Consider this your one and only warning.

-SnipeDragon

using a system not available to all players giving you an unfair advantage is cheating(technicalities count). the fact you have to go to such lengths to respond to such a simple fact, well, methinks the lady doth protest waaaay too much.

and just because you think you've found a way around TOS just puts you in a long line of industrious cheat creators.

First off, I never said it would be exclusive - you know, it was supposed to be a pro-community thing, HENCE THE REASON I WOULD MAKE A PUBLIC POST ABOUT IT.

If you had any brains at all, you would know that Emi lives in Romania, so this game does NOT fall under the jurisdiction of the USA. Therefore, the ADA does not apply, and your entire argument is null and void.

OMG! Black, your rep has gone up quite exponentially, Also, I thought E lived in Canada?

Yeah Emi's po box number is for Canada but i think blak meant his nationality is Romanian :D.

greasemonkey scripts are used on at least another game i play and they will ban anyone caught using it

as far as im concerned its a bot to play the game, making things easier, take the alien incursions they can be done quicker with greasemonkey giving someone an advantage

when i 1st started playing MMO's in general i never heard of greasemonkey or how to get hold of scripts to run on greasemonkey so how will new players ?

but as far as i care, ask for shortcuts to be implemented into the game and greasemonkey scripts shouldnt be allowed, public or not

For starters, incursions are hardly worthwhile. Second, the max attack rate is 3 seconds, and with a lean browser and a cpu less than 6 years old, a decent head on your shoulders, and the keyboard shortcuts built into  your browser... you should be able to do it as fast as possible anyways. Greasemonkey won't make you very much faster - it will just save your joints. [I hate using a mouse]
I can't believe you all are coming down so hard on ergonomics. You know emi is lazy and won't revise the piss UI as long as people can still swallow it.

Frikken tool - I'm sorry so confident in your own incompetence to google for or write a plugin.

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where the hell do you draw the line? (pls don't go into government, you silly little fascist of weak contemplation).

There's a firefox plugin to assign unique identifiers to every link, so you can just use the combo ', <id>, enter.
There's other plugins to assign keyboard shortcuts to any kind of web structure.
There's blind people using screen readers and lightning fast dictation commands.

Where do you draw the line?

The bottom line is you can't, and unless you want to be the kind of wrinkled douche that refuses to get an e-mail address because the 1950's brick/mortar/paper paradigm worked <em>so well</em>... You're gonna have to embrace the inevitable and get on board.


...IF greasemonkey does provide a real advantage** (I say it doesn't), we also know it could (therefore will) be undetectable... then the only fair equilibrium is when everyone uses it. (That sentence is just as valid without the word 'fair'.)

**Advantage: in this case, advantage would be a higher standing in the game, nothing more. So there's no advantage in spending less time in-game for the same frikken result. Which even then, it wouldn't be, because if  you speed through things, you're bound to make dumb decisions.

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Resistance is futile, and noone cares if you will be assimilated.

p.s. greasemonkey + firefox = free software. Non-exclusive stuff here. If you post something to the wiki, and all new players need read the wiki, then all new players have access to it, and your arguement about obscurity and stupidity making for an exclusive advantage is null, void...crappy, lame, weak, useless, toothless, poor, ridiculous, laughable, dead, unreasonable, stale, deflated, limp... lets start a new thread about how useless your post was, eh? http://forum.spaceo.net/index.php/*oops*.html (http://hi)
modified: "DO NOT LINK TO RANT BOARD TOPICS IN THE OTHER BOARDS OF THIS FORUM."
sigh.

p.p.s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_efficiency

at the start of a round the alien incursions are a great way to get started

again ask for short cuts to be added to the game, i wouldnt say no to keyboard short cuts if it reduces clicking

greasemonkey is a good plug in, i have it added to my FF now, but i dont think they should be used in a game, its my opinion, if you dont like it then just say i disagree i wont flame you over it

but again, i dont think greasemonkey should be used, whether its an up and coming thing or not, if sir emi has tried to stop people using it then dont use it, pretty simple

qe2eqe, calling "E" lazy is just wrong he has brought this game really far in the last three years. When i started playing we didnt even have galaxy contracts so check your facts before posting.

I remember when missions were new-fangled.  :P

yes, im the same as RT - when i started all we had was mothership contracts based on your power, no way to gain turns... i dont even think we had votes and if we did it was only like 5 links and only one for turns...

them were the days build ships and attack everyone in sight :)

Yup, and remember how pissed everybody was most people were when emi was like "BAM, GALAXY"?

OK so maybe emi isn't lazy, but making a friendlier ui is prolly not on his list of priorities. For starters, he's building a whole 'nother game, which will make him money, and that's more important than the small decrease he might get in player turnover.
I actually asked him a long time ago if I could make a plugin specific to SpaceO, I told him a spot on the firefox plugin site would be good marketing for the game. He said no  - -  - which I think was a poor decision. But hey, I'm dogmatic, persistent... and perhaps more disrespectful to emi than I should be.
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He built a skin chooser for one skin, if you need an example of the crap he puts on his plate and procrastinates.

although i read very little of q boys posts because they are too long and i cant pay attention that long, i will say that there has been many suggestions and updates in the works that have been that way for a long time.. what happened to fleet commanders? pvp update for wars? the whole fleet salvage thing, instead of emi trying for another game maybe he should actually work on the ones he already has


yeah.. two weeks.. riight

My thoughts exactly...
Neglect ftl.

You need to review the definition of fascist.


Emi has registered the copyright for this game in Romania, so this game falls under Romanian jurisdiction, ere by, no ADA.

And he does seem to leave an awful lot unfinished here...

...if you're going by the country: tag at copyrightdeposit.... that means hill of beans. His registrar is out of california, USA.

Besides, I think public web pages are copyright in u.s. by default, whether it's claimed or not.

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No lawyer would ever give a crap about this small cookie, anyway. I'm just saying, people deserve this crap and it's important enough for the law to notice. 

Just get over it already and move on.

First of all, you should know it is definitely NOT important enough for the law to notice, that or you haven't left your house in the past few years.

Secondly, you need to grow up and notice that there are other countries than our great USA on this planet, and that a great deal of those have comparable industrial, commercial, and technological development, and that many, many important things happen outside the US. I appreciate your Nationalism/Patriotism, but it shouldn't be an excuse to not have a global view at the same time.

sorry but usa owns internet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICANN

besides, what part about civil suits over web sites, with examples, don't you understand?

if the US had control over the internet pirate sites like in Russia could be closed down, as they dont and fall under jurisdiction of other countries the US does not own the internet

the us can put pressure on other countries but not control the internet like in  this case (http://'http://www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSL2723733820080127?feedType=RSS&feedName=internetNews&rpc=22&sp=true') where the us put on pressure and the country does something about it

case closed  :))

"in order to oversee a number of Internet-related tasks previously performed directly on behalf of the U.S. government by other organizations, notably the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority IANA."

When you learn basic reading comprehension, which you hopefully will in a few years, you will understand that the above statement does not mean that the US Government does these things, but that it has other companies do them for it, mainly because that way it can be objective instead of biased. You will also likely learn soon, and this may come as a shocker, that "Wikipedia" is not considered a liable source by almost anyone who is in a position to be making that judgment.

"...rest of the Board.

THE UNITED STATES DOES NOT OWN THE INTERNET.

There are currently three..."

Also from the same article (10/1/08 at 6:31 PM EST)

Another NetTard neutralized. Ahh the weakness of a wikipedia-backed argument.

No poop.
I'm just saying, via hyperbole, in response to your invalid( criticism of an earlier point, usa does have undue influence. If it wasn't an issue, other countries wouldn't have any gripes about it.

"Two recently issued reports portray the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) as a bureaucracy that enables cyber criminals."

"ICANN is formally a private nonprofit California corporation created, in response to a summoning by U.S. government officials."

"Only DoC (and, in one special set of cases, NSI or registrars) currently has the power to hold ICANN accountable. NSI currently has no incentive to use its limited power, and DoC has nothing to complain of so long as ICANN is executing the instructions set out in the White Paper."

*invalid because:
ncd.gov
*and also because you don't need to control intertubes to lay law on a company.

---no longer responding to you on this thread.

Because you've lost the foothold for your argument, and the rest is all crumbling down around you. And, now, everyone can see the wizard behind that enormous head, and they see that you're just another stupid kid who thinks he's all that, and really is nothing but an insignificant prick on this colossal world of ours.

Oh, and the whole 'I'm not going to talk so you can't beat me haha' thing doesn't really work, anywhere.

New York Times (a somewhat credible source?):

p.s., I just can't help myself... but 'ad hominem' is... the entirety of your last post talking about weak arguments

 :21:  I thought you weren't responding anymore?

blak is a good troll.

Judges such as "Judge Joe Brown" and "Judge Judy"

 :D this is fun!