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How does adding multiple shields, computers, and weapons affect the ABS and ACU?  How do they add up to make the total for the ship?

read through the rest of this section. the answer is there.

I believe that the base ACU from the weapons is averaged out, but I am not quite sure.

If I remember correctly, ABS and computer ACC give a diminishing return. The first component in the line-up will always give 100% of its bonus. The next might add something like 50%, then 33%. I'm not quite sure about the exact numbers, though.

ya chronos is right.. the more u put on the less effictive each one you add on is

There's also a bit of a retrocraptive thing going on. for example, two shields of 40% abs and 1% abs will yield <40%.

It all depends on what order the shields are evaluated, if I remember correctly. You could get 100% of the 1 point and 50% of the 40 points. I don't think anybody knows what the exact ordering scheme is.

the equations for abs and accuracy are both different.

for accuracy, u get 100% of your first weapon. weapons and computers are different averages though. if you have a 20% accuracy weapon and a 40% accuracy weapon. that will yeild 30% accuracy. now if you add to that a 20% accuracy and a 10% accuracy, that will add 15% accuracy. the attack is also lessened for every weapon on a ship.

sheilds are similar to the accuracy equation. most people will be able to figure out a simple and adequate version of it by taking what i said above, but i dont feel like giving out what ive got cuz it took me a long time to figure out... basically im greedy like every other person in the world.

greed is understood, but didn't think that info was so coveted. 

 

If information wasn't coveted, there would be no need for spies.

Many people who have been playing this for a while have had to figure things out or had help from people in their alliance.

I know I wouldn't give things out that would possibly give someone a better chance of winning.

well ive gone through at least 3 different sheild equations that i thought were right until i ended up with what i have now. i think its right, it works for what i use, but i havent tested it fully enough to officially say its the one.

info is the key to doing well in this game. info 1st, strategy 2nd, time 3rd

how does acc and abs effect hp and attack, respectively? 

the accuracy % is what portion of the shown attack is actually dealt.

if the ship has 1000 atk and 50% accuracy, 500 damage will be dealt

abs is quite different, it affects hp

multiply the shown hp * 100/(100-abs%)

thats the legit amount of hp your ship has. abs will also effect marine losses in board attacks.

A simpler equation there jess is hp * 1.X  X = abs.   :12:

Absorb

All incomming damage is multiplied by the complement of absorb before being applied to a fleet. That is, if 1.000 damage is dealt and one's fleet has an absorb of 60%, then the total damage dealt would be 1.000 * 60% = 600 1.000 * (100% - 60%) = 1.000 * 40% = 400.

If you wanted to combine absorb and hitpoints together obtain an "effective" hitpoints, simply divide the hitpoints by the complement of the absorb percentage. That is, if one's ship has 5.000 hitpoints and 25% absorb, then it has effective hitpoints of 5.000 / 50%= 5.000 * 2 = 10.000 hitpoints 5.000 / (100 - 25%) = 5.000 / 75% = 5.000 * 4/3 = 6.667 hitpoints.

I'll explain later, if need be.


(Corrected)

you mean 1.000 * (1-.6) = 400 damage dealth out of initial 1000

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Oh, ya, sorry. I was rushing out the door at that moment. It's fixed now.

The reason that the effective hitpoints are equal to the base hitpoints divided by the complement of the absorb percentage is simple. Think of it this way.

Damage only matters if it destroys the ship. If the ship does not take enough damage to be destroyed, then the damage might as well be zero. If the ship takes enough damage to be destroyed then, for that ship, the total damage does not matter. So, the only really important point is when the damage exceeds the hitpoints. This happens at:

DAM * (1 - ABS) = HP

If we divide both sides by (1 - ABS), we get:

DAM = HP / (1 - ABS)

Thus, we have the total amount of raw damage it would take to destroy the ship, the effective hitpoints.

sorry jan, thats a different equation.

the abs is a percent of damage blocked, not a percent added. so if u have 50% abs, ur not multipying the hp *1.5
it really gets multiplied by 2

Oh yeah lol sorry I was thinking of acu. abs. bonuses lol and now I will shutup about this before everyone believes I am an idiot.
Been sick last couple days give me a break lol.

Man, chronos really sets the gold standard.

In other news, eq for ship cost on gold is
(budget / .8) / (1-x%) where x is line assemble or what have you.

dude ur equation is screwed up...

just do .8(100-line assemble)

x=attack, y=acc

Actual Attack=xy

x=hp, y=abs

Actual Hitpoints=x*100/(100-y)

If you think so.



That formula would actually cause the cost to go up. When you divide by a number less than one, you increase your result.



Your equation is ill-written. Do you mean that NEWCOST = OLDCOST * 0.8 * (100% - ASSEMBLY%)?


That works only if one treats y on a scale from 0 to 100. When I deal with percentages, I usually treat them as a decimal number between 0.0f and 1.0f, it's often more convenient when dealing with multiplication and the like. Just remember to plug in the right scale when using formulae.

maybe price would have been a better word than cost. But yeah, you can buy ships thost cost more than your actual budget would otherwise allow, and that's the point.

Oh, so that equation is a reference to how much you can buy, rather than how much you must spend?

You need to do a little better job explaining that. I don't think many people understood. Especially when your lead in phrase specifically mentions cost and has no reference to other approaches:

Emphasis added.

x=hp, y=abs#
Actual Hitpoints=x*100/(100-y)

OR

x=hp, y=abs%
Actual Hitpoints=x*1/(1-y)

x=attack, y=acc%
Actual Attack=xy

OR

x=attack, y=acc#
Actual Attack=x(y/100)

Can I use both of those equations for hp and attack to find the 'effective' hp and attack of my s-ships?

sorry for not being specific enough in my last post on what my question was.

Oh, I did not know there was a question in there. But ya, pretty much.

haha i didn't put my question in there

p.s. gwar is playing tonight about 3 miles from my home. I can't go because I have to work, and I can't call out because I need to pay off the credit card bill I racked up playing spaceo obsessively.

That is the height of nonspecificity.