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can we please do something about this on the main server.. im tired or people using no marines and just staying in a neb... theres no more pvp on so main.. and the people that do marine and pship up cant compete with the people that just stay in the neb

Yeah alot of ppl use alts to neb there main accounts in galaxy,and having ppl buddy neb is not cool either.Hiding in neb 24/7 7 days a week is BS. There is no more PvP in this game just nebing and CP. About alt nebbing,I think there should be a limit to how high a % you can attack in galaxy cause i know a few ppl who do that,tho i wont say names. buddy nebbing is BS also.There should be a limit to how often you can stay in neb,as posted on FTP's thread. But we made this one cause it looks as Emi hasn't been paying much attention to that one,and something needs to be done about this crap,Cause I'm getting quite bored of all this PvE..

Ya, I think that there should be like a period of time where u cannot be placed into a nebula. Like maybe 30 minutes? Something should be done about it though no doubt.  :)

It's funny that I was thinking the same thing yesterday.  :))

Whats funny is the number of threads on this topic that people arent reading.

Emi made a post today on one of the threads indicating he is working on a fix, and there are already some good suggestions.

Due to the differences on Main and Wars - maybe each server needs a different solution.

I dont think its productive to create further threads on this at the moment, unless you have a new idea/insight into a solution.

well the whole self neb thing is a bit overrated- as someone already pointed self-nebbing cost quite a lot (eats up to half of your income from workers) and once you get into top10 encounters become so rare that these people have trouble growing :P

One of the advantages that this game has is that it can be played in more than one way.  Forcing players to PvP would detract from this.  One popular way to balance out the economics is to set up areas that are specifically PvP (no neb available).  The rewards for events/missions within the PvP areas should be higher (or unique) as the risk is greater.  There is also the idea of using alliance bases as a safe(r) haven.  This would remove the necessity for PvP areas, but would create the necessity for every new player to be automatically placed into a temp alliance.
There are other possible solutions, I can get into them if this is a direction that everyone likes.

A shorter neb time on SO main wouldnt do any good as you can hit anyone at anytime and can just hit someone as soon as they pop out. Limitting the use of way lower accounts to do the attacks would help.

cameron
the past few times ive seen u on wars, u have been in a neb...

warning! what i'm about to say may rock the boat a lil (or just plane seem retarded)

conservative SO players avert your eyes!

let's get rid of neb all together or up it to something like a 90% loss of power within 48 hours. make it harder for a single commander to make consecutive attacks (because of evasive maneuvers, attack sigs etc). as far as alliance gang beats, perhaps consecutive attacks can role 30-60% over into same alliance attacks and/or other attacks in general.

OR

make neb length decrease with increase in mothership size

well... there i said it

u read it

u can't un-read it!

no that would undermine everything
one of the already said idea just needs to be put into play

jessie.. i attack people on wars so i get attacked back and nebbed.. and silence.. what a bad idea.. i agree with ftp.. and ive said it before too.. limit the galaxy attacks maybe no more than 5-10 times your power

If you play SOWARS then self nebbing is retarded.  Its a PvP server - so if you want to play without PvP go do a crossword puzzle.

I apologize.  I thought the topic was exclusively for the main server and not Wars.

Just because you like the PvP aspect of the game doesn't mean that everyone does, there is nothing wrong with people wanting to protect themselves.
I don't think I am particularly good at this game yet and the only way I have been able to get anywhere is to stay in a neb as long as possible, once I have a good economy and have enough workers to resupply the ships that vultures keep stealing it isn't too bad.
However when it takes me weeks to get the ships to enable me to do level 2 encrypts and sensibly fill them with marines and put up pships, I start to foolishly think that I might get somewhere and some evil person comes along with a boarder and takes me out it makes me want to quit playing.
If I didn't have the option to stay in a neb to get me past that stage I wouldn't continue to play, If I and others quit because the people who know how to get the best from the game keep slaughtering us, then Sir Emi wouldn't get much in the way of donations, if he doesn't get the donations he won't see the point in keeping the servers up and we would all lose out.
I suggest that the vultures would do better leaving things as they stand and continue to pick on the people who can't/won't learn from their mistakes.

The buddy nebbin/alt nebbing goes right to the top of the rankings so its not just newbies thinking its they only way to get started in the game, for newbies maybe a weeks protection on SO main and a fortnight onn was untill they pass a certain rank power, but why should top 30+ players be buddy nebbing, they should have a good enough economy to recover if not then they shouldnt have been that high anyway. But whoever and where ever ranked someone better will always kill you, so thinking that getting a higher rank is suddenly going to stop you getting attacked wont work, as you go up in ranks the greater your losses will be and you still may need days even weeks to recover. Iplay mainly wars sever, its basically a PvP only server so why should you be buddy nebbing on there, if you dont want to fight go play another game and on main its a race to the top, so people who take hard attacks and still be in the top without nebbing themselves are getting somewhat cheated by those who do and can make the top without loses, expence of marines as no one can board them meaning they raise quicker to the top, and if you win you gat $100, would you play poker with someone with a deck of cards up their arm to win, doubt it, its the same in my eyes as buddy nebbing, no matter what you have the other person will do better

I wasn't talking about So Wars, so wars is as you say there specifically for PvP
However the main server should be there for people who have different styles of playing, I personally am not a fan of PvP as it usually ends up with a very few players who know exactly what they are doing, bullying everyone else because they can.
I personally enjoy building up an empire and chatting to other people as I do so, I resent having things that I have spent weeks building being torn down in seconds merely because I happen to be away from the keyboard when someone attacks.
The only reason I am still playing (and paying for) SO Main is that I am able to be safe when I am away from the game as long as I remember to log in once every 24 hours, every other MMORPG I have played has made me quit after awhile as there were always a very few hardcore players who beat the c**p out of everyone else and made them miserable.
I managed to make top ten last round in this game because in the early stages while I was weak I was able to protect myself in a neb and in the latter stages once I had a decent economy I was able to protect myself with pships and marines.
I only attacked people who attacked me and I tried to make sure I hurt them enough so that they didn't do it again.
I notice that the only people who are complaining about people using nebs are the same people who pick on people who have no idea how to fight back!

I have got some idea of PvP but i am still bad at it, i have made my way to the top of wars by being peaceful, not attacking, and making the right sort of freinds, i believe that lostedchylde and lightseeker has done the same on main, if you dont like pvp, no offense, go play simcity and find a chat room about it on the internet, i have also paid but if someone bigger and with a btter understanding of pvp killed me i would ask someone why it was they killed me and make sure i dont make that mistake again. But like i said you had an advantage of being in a neb earlier on, whether to protect your self or not, it does say this on the front page "Intense PvP", if you didnt like the sound of pvp why join? would you play some one at anygame that was taking advantage of something to their own benifit, i doubt it


*100th post :D*

I wont quote Brokens wonderful posts - Ill just say theres no-one on SOWARS that I know of thats studied harder at the school of hard knocks than Broken. 

His is an example of tenacity thats won my respect, and Im sure the respect of anyone on SOWARS who has followed his progress.

Those guys doing this should realise they dont have the respect of anyone on the server - and they wont have it until they get out of neb - take the flogging thats coming their way - and then get back up again and play properly.

I like every aspect of this game, my preference isn't for the pvp aspect of it though, the neb serves a useful purpose and I have no intention of coming out of a neb any earlier than I have to.
If that doesn't get me respect I don't particularly care, it would be different if I could still see the same level of encounters with pships up but I can't.
In order to keep from losing things while I am not nebbed I need to be fully marined and have at least 5 fleets of pships up and that point I cannot see encounters that I can do.
So I will therefore continue to put pships up until I am hit and save my turns, once I am hit, I will zero the person who hit me (if possible) and I will reserve any remaining pships and do encounters till I run out of turns and when I am close to coming out of my neb I will put my pships back up.
If the neb time gets reduced and stops me from playing this way I will leave, simple as

you are a fairly well-known player for your recent success, instead of simply leaving, try giving ideas that benefit all parties. threatening to leave does nothing for no one...

Unfortunately I don't have ideas to change it as I don't see anything wrong with the way it is :P


ps can someone explain the reputation thing? I seem to have a -1 rep is that for stating my opinion? surely you should only get a minus rep for being abusive or spamming?

Anyone can give you a click to increase or decrease your rep, most people will only bother to change your rep if they feel strongly about your post - positive or negative.

Abusive and spam posts are not tolerated at all, and will usually be removed quickly - moderators can impose other penalties.

If you state your opinion, then you should ensure that you attach good reasons for it.

Good reasons are; logical, well thought out, described clearly, in the best interests of the game, not selfish, not emotive, acknowledge differing opinions.

If you step outside of that, then you may step into a minefield.

Personally I dont play on SOMAIN - so Im not qualified to make any suggestion there.  Some players from SOMAIN have certainly raised the issue of self neb and been quite passionate about it - so I suspect that the issue is impacting people on both servers more or less equally. 

But, SOWARS is a PvP server - more methods, reasons and rewards for engaging in combat are inline with the PvP concept - permanently and completely avoiding combat interaction with other players certainly isnt.

Several times Ive raised suggestions about increasing rewards for PvP play - perhaps that is another way to tackle this issue.  At the moment PvP is costly regardless if you are successful or not, and avoiding combat is clearly an advantage.  If PvP rewards outstripped other rewards, then those non-interactive players would be at a disadvantage.

im not sure where u said it amagnon, but on one of the buddy nebbing posts you said that the players that do this are not a factor in the game. i would tend to agree, except that they can still destroy stations. perhaps if you are in a neb and attack a station, it would be the same as attacking a person... u come out of the neb. and i also realize that the player could just as easily re-neb, which is where the other suggestions come in.

Each person should be allowed 1 turn per minute. 1 * (number of alts + main) is unbalancing the game

1 vote per person would seem fair, but Votes*(Alts + main) seems to be used nowadays -especially in mutinies

alts will probably buy ships from the main account as a person is probably too lazy or overworked with too many accounts to recreate the design. This will allow any person with an alt to buy (1+royalty%/(cr/ship)) ships, if I understand royalty correctly
Having ten alts at ten percent royalty means you get a ship on your main for free.

Alts are used to self neb which means the alt is helping the main.


I thought you couldn't use alts to benefit another account, yet these things are being done? Turns, and resources including mutiny votes are being multiplied by alts! What to do?
is it possible to give ten days of inactivity by the former account before logging in to a newer account?


Furthermore, if you are allowed to cultivate the turn resources of alts towards one main account, why is there even a limit on turns?
The limit doesn't exist if you can create alts to attain a multiple number of turns.

what do u mean? you cant give turns to your main from another account. and i believe the royalty is 2%, not 10. but overall i completely agree. there are too many alts out there

alt nebbing should be removed completely somehow.. and oh a weeks ban for every offence of doing it.. but budding nebbing dispite being anoying is just another aspect of the game..

i know how to PvP every well.. better that most other players.. yet the neb is a key factor in all my strageys.. no neb no safe PvP for me.. hate me for the 24 nebs and sudden attacks when you lest except for you to find im still in a neb.. but its a stragey that counts. and works..

oh and link, i really liked the idea of a PvP (no nebs) area in the galaxy thats more risky with  larger rewards.. sort of like the insurcetion that started up.. but bigger and good rewards.. instead of a gold giveing you 2.5x its power in cash.. make it double? or say 3x its power..not too much but still if played right the PvP players will get more cash and level just as fast, if not faster as the non PvP players...

turns generate credits
turns are used in probing

Turns are the basis of the turn based game
-If you are transfering credits through royalty(indirectly or directly) you are transferring refined turns.
-if you probe with an alt you lose less turns than other's
In these two examples you are transferring turns.

and so you would need 50 alts to get a completely free ship of the same type. If it were 10% you'd need 10
If it where 50% you'd need 2!

Buddy nebbing doesn't bother me a bit. They are two people who decide to use turns given them in the same manner as other players.
If there is a player who recieves double the turns and decides to use these turns, that is what is unbalanced.

To sum it up alts are unfair because they are of the same system.
Buddy nebbing is jolly fine.

And how are you going to keep playing 50 accounts so just your main can grow as fast as those alts?

And you can only receive a certain % of your power in royalties a day, which is never near an upgrade rather as much as 1 GT.

50 alts is 50x 20 euro (you need godl to clone) thats 1000 dollar. I think you could boost your main account way more then just with royalties using this money on your main account.

But especialy on WAR server alts serve no purpose.



MeGuaRen, plz dont double post especialy not so fast in a row.

It all adds up

Even though you may recieve a certain percentage of you power in a day the money does get to you and you will grow quickly enough with the unfair resources of you alts. Even without growing from the resources of your alts quickly enough to claim the royalty, I'd imagine this can be exploited through the use of pships.
Whether you will use your unbalancing alts to neb you and then take an enormous amount of pships to get the money quickly or powering up with p-ships at the moment before a royalty comes in (which happens to be a certain time of day to the second!)



all right i see what u are saying about royalties but for the average person everything else stands
but if you were to have more than 1 gold you would be able to buy 1.02 ships for the price of 1. And possibly more than that!
Your main could then return the favor to your single alt and that could go back and forth!

So you only need two alts to exploit royalties.

Royalties is base on your SHIPLESS power and your commander level, untill you pass around cdr lvl 100 royalties pay out is totaly nothing. And I get max royalties the entire round anyways.

There are not much players who can keep alts in their normal range so that royalties of alts would give any effect to their main account. And you need every alt to have a gold account for them to give royalties.

Alt nebbing is weak and I dont use it.

But in your example this has so little effect I can come up with way bigger advantages an alt can give.

If you have alts play them seperate.

Alt and buddy nebbing are considered different?  WTH?

From WARS server perspective, I dont care how someone gets there, if its not from legitimate combat then I see it as exploiting a system designed for another purpose - namely to give you a chance to log in and resupply your defenses after a serious attack.

If this is the common view, then a neb should last the time it takes you to resupply the credits lost *.80
It shouldn't be based on time at all. Only losses.

Much like insurance. Which is also at 80%. This would allow no1 to gain more than they had lost by self-nebbing with low cr/fp p-ships. As soon as you regain the 2 million you used on p-ships your exposed to other commanders once again.

MeGuaRen - I dont play SOMAIN.

I think theres a world of difference though - Dont think your idea will work on SOWARS - but there been some good alternatives discussed already.

Alt or Buddy nebbing is for losers who aren't willing to learn how to play the game - marine up, put up some pships, any alternative to intentionally putting yourself in a nebula. Council Protection if you're going to be away for a while.

Alt or Buddy nebbing is, in short, taking advantage of something meant to keep gameplay fair, giving people a chance to keep themselves from being completely destroyed in a short period of time. You're meant to take some losses in this game, but be able to bounce back within a few days. It's what keeps it interesting, and prevents it from becoming tireless mission clicking.

Sorry MeGuaRen - I missed what you were saying I think.

Your idea seems a variation of the "Neb based off cost" idea, with a variable length neb - its actually got merit.  Still - some losses in combat can be small - but it leaves you without adequate defences .. so this would be very tricky to get right I think.

SO Main beeing the most ompetitve due to the prizes, the self neb or buddy neb tactic is not desired, and PvP aspect should be somewhat increased due to the competition. PvP on SO Main is like disrupting your enemy supply lines, it should be encouraged.

I am now gathering all information I can on the self / buddy neb tactics and searching for a fix. Any feedback you may have on the tactics used to self neb should be sent ingame or PM on the forum to me. I will also be using any good suggestion in this topic to reach the objective.

Also, the self / buddy neb fix should not affect in any way the functionality of the game as it is, that is, the 24 hour neb doesn't need to be changed, just the way it is implemented.

A good start would be to determine the value of the neb you get, as compared to your total credits value. For example, we could change it so you enter nebula if you lose 20% or more of your total credits value, instead of total power value... Every asset you have, active fleets, segments, workers etc. that compose the total power can be calculated in credits, and when you lose 20% (or another percent) of the total calculated value of your mothership / fleets in the last 24 hours, you would enter nebula...

SO:

- 20% of assets instead of 20% power in last 24 hours
- Warp evade settings: "Always try" set to default, "Don't try if friendly station"

- Limit number of attacks between two commanders in 24 hours, excluding counter attacks:
Example: Cmd X attacks Cmd Y 10 times. Cmd Y makes 10 counter-attacks and attacks 10 times. Cmd X makes 10 counter attacks.

- Increase protection time if defender you lost more then 20% of assets in the last attack.
Example: Lost 50% of assets, get 50/20 * 24 = 60 hours of protection.

God Speed!

Losing 20% of your power, would kill the use of powerships entirely  0o

For SOWARS diminishing returns from repeated nebula is very clearly the best solution so far proposed.


For SOMAIN - perhaps you could use Emi's idea (total credit losses), but reduce the amount needed to enter neb to 5% or 10% - that means you can still defend with cheap ships like Pships or swarmers, but would need to spend a bit more on them probably.

5% of your total worth to enter neb is a high price - 10% or more would probably make it unviable as a defensive strategy.

Emi -

I dont understand this;

- Warp evade settings: "Always try" set to default, "Don't try if friendly station"

Could you explain that in a bit more detail please, and also explain its significance with regard to self nebbing.

i think he means that if u set it to the 'dont if friendly station,' that if u are being protected by a station u will not warp.