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Seither(#1516): we allow it to be see so we know they are cussing
Drakken(#28479): you serious?
Seither(#1516): ***length of mute: 1 day or until next online time coinciding with a mod, wichever comes last
Drakken(#28479): you mute people for cussing then allow them to cuss?
Seither(#1516): ***drakken muted for the following reasons: using foul language repeatedly after being wanred not to.
Drakken(#28479): you funny
Seither(#1516): that's because emi took off some of the filters oso we could see when people actual post cuss words, as we;ve been having problems telling if people are violating tos or postin innocent words
Drakken(#28479): see?
Drakken(#28479): d**n
Drakken(#28479): it comes through any how
Seither(#1516): there are filtrs for it drakken, that's what the *s are for
Drakken(#28479): not people with happy muting fingers
Drakken(#28479): and if thats a problem then there should be filters for it
Seither(#1516): drakken, wanring, watch the language, next time it's a mute
Drakken(#28479): tons of people cuss
Seither(#1516): i already did
Drakken(#28479): bull crap seither
Seither(#1516): yes, but most people don't cuss
Seither(#1516): layers don't breach tos
Seither(#1516): yes there will

ok this guy is out of hand...he muted me for showing him that there are cuss words coming through the filters .and gave me a warning for bull crap?  is this guy serious? bull crap.haha ok the guy says emi took off the filters for some words...obviously that means they are not considered cuss words then.its bull crap he muted me for saying bull crap and then i showed him a word that comes through so he could fix something instead of  abusing his lil powers of mute.that in itself is bull crap. any body else agree this is bull crap?

that's bull! not good too include bull r bull c r a p as cussing. please tell me that seither is miss using his power and that emi hasn't included that in the cussing list. if so please tell me and i will be gone from this game today. i refuse to play a game under a dictator telling me what is cussing when i already know what cussing is. i wouldn't force my  opinion on anyone and would expect the same in return.

in 1991 b i t c h and s h i t were taken out of the cuss word book. making them usable on prime time tv. which america has more laws than most contries on what is aloud on prime time tv. so if someone gets offended by c r a p then they should never be aloud to leave there house r watch tv let alone get on the internet.

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Hmmm  

Whether Seither is right or wrong in your eyes, the fact remains the same, after Super and Baltic were banned, a few people decided to push the limits of a mod. I might not have done the same thing as Seither, but, we have been given a position of responsibility. I dont carry on half as much as I used to ( :)) or as much as I want to) but remember, we dont just ban people outright, its better if we can nip things in the bud to avoid chat degenerating into a swearing, back yard brawl. Chat is a public place, if you dont speak to your parents or grandparents like that, dont try it on chat. In real life, you dont walk up to a stranger in the street, or an 8 year old in a playground and start talkin trash.

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i say bull s h i t to everyone. but with foo saying it then it must be so. so i will make my retirement post.

Once again you guys, just because it isn't filtered does ot meanit doesn't violate tos. and wolfy, you may know what cussing is, but you must remember, people have kids on here, teenagers and some even younger. We can't expose them to that sort of thing. There are ruls called Terms of Service you agreed to when you signed up to play. Remember these (note what I have highlighted in red):

Terms and conditions of Space Odyssey      
          
     Fair play    
        Players who try to manipulate the rules and/or use loopholes in them may be deleted from the game. Each case will be looked at separately by the Space Odyssey team, before a decision is made.    
          
     Playing fairly and Honestly    
        Space Odyssey upholds high standards of moral behavior. Any player who is caught manipulating bugs in the game or has been cheating in any other way will be deleted from the game immediately. Using vulgar words towards other players may also lead to deletion.    
          
     (I) Responsibility of the developers:    
        The Space Odyssey Team will do everything possible for the game to run flawlessly. Beyond that, Space Odyssey is not liable in any way for server breakdown, faulty programming, etc. The occurrence of any disadvantages for a user resulting from server breakdowns, faulty programming etc. does not entitle the user to claim the recovery of his account's status before the occurrence.    
          
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And as you can see drakken, the word in question IS muted here on the forum. and es, the first one was trying to prove a point,the second one however, was just stated with no context to it, therefore I had to mute you. And so I can fix something? What can I fix drakken? I don't have access to the filter. It's filtered on the forum, therefore it is cnsidered against ToS. I already told you that Foo and I talked and agreed to unute you and wolfy as you were trying to prove a point. Wolfy was unmuted, you, however, refused to post on your main and allow yourself to be unmuted. That's your call. And wolfy, the internet is governed by it's own rules, made by the individuals who own the site. There are certain regulations all countries agree it must follow, but that's it. Emi has decreed those words aren't allowed, so they aren't. I'm regretting unmuting you, as your actions on this forum are showing that it may have been a bad idea. We don't want you to retire wolfy, but we do want you to obey the ToS so you don't end up banned.

And thank you FOO, your support is appreciated.

well monkey...saying bull cr ap  and then da** wasnt aimed at anyone.Using vulgar words towards other players may also lead to deletion. thats what you highlighted..how did i brake this rule? i was showing you that da** comes through the filter therfore it cant be an offensive word.

it is filtered on the forum drakken, on the forum, the filter is in FULL EFFECT, bu no on the chat. And as I said, it wasn't in any context, so I ssume it was aimed at another player. Foo and I taked, and agreed that it wasn't meant that way, so I was ready and willing to unmute you. I did so to wlfy already, as I stated. And read farther down "Content and responsibility     
        Space Odyssey is visited by a great number of people. Posts and messages spreading racists, religious intolerance, vulgar and/or other publicly unacceptable topics will not be tolerated. They will lead to warnings and/or sanctions or the direct termination of accounts in question.

Vulgar includes cussing. Termination can mean the entire account, or just to be able to post in chat. These are the ToS, I'm afrad you are required to follow them as you agreed to them when you signed up. no matter what your "personal beliefs" are, the ToS over rule them. i personally see nothing wrong with cussing, an if it was my call, I'd allow it. But it's not my call, it's Emi's, and he says no to it. Tough luck man.

yeah my point exactly..if its not filtered on chat then you cant mute on chat for saying it..im not for swearing..matter of fact i made a post about offensive ship names..but to mute somebody for saying something that the offensive word filters allow is stupid.  you cant explain that away kid...if the filters allow it in chat then it is allowed in chat.otherwise it wouldnt come through.. :))  try again?

drakken, emi added a flter to the ship names, and the words you said are filtered here in the forum, which follows the SAME rules as the CHAT does. Thereofre they aren't allowed. We've been over this, even FOO said that you can't just say something because something doesn't filter it.

I can't walk up to the president and say i've got a bomb just beause my rights allow me to, because there are RULES and REGULATIONS against it.

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I dont know how the filters work, but i am sure we have had this come up before about what is acceptable. From one country to the next, certain words or phrases take on a less appealing meaning. But without a filter of some kind, and mods to help out, would any parent let their kids play a game where chat(which is a great part of this game) could become worse than a bar room brawl? If a mod asks you not to try out the filter, dont.   Simple.

I'm pretty sure someone can express their anger at a mission or whatever with a not good, c r a p, bull, a couple *** and whatever, whitout having him muted lol.

Please chat mods, use the delete last 3 chat entries funtction if you must, the mute function is for spammers... oh yeah and that guy that was always saying momma at everybody  :P

I'm clearing the muted quene now.

Thank you

Thank you Sir Emi for clearing up some of the more aggressive type of chat mods.  We all make mistakes and we all get hot under the collor some times.  but to be a Chat "nazie" is not what the mod spots were ment for. they were ment to keep as Sir Emi said spamers out, and just outrignt blaint abuse from the chat, not a some one just a bit hot under the collor or a slip.  The other day we had a lets say energetic chat going, where because of one person being hot under the collor they had to be muted for a bit becaue they continued to use foul launguage ever after several attempts to have them use other words.  the chat mod muted the person for a few minutes till they were able to cool down and then let them back on.  and the chat mod did allow his clean mesages even in the mute time. This is what the chat mod position is to be use for, not every little slip or just becaue the word or part of the word gets filtered in the forum.  We do attempt to keep a higher standard here but Please lets not get ridiculious with it.

I'm posting this here as well, so everyone can see it.

But from now on Emi, all players are alowed to cuss in my presence without fear of mute. I refuse to treat the top ten, who are looked up to and should be under stricter scrutiny, any different then the rest of the players of SO. And since people want to bring the chat filter itself into this, if the filter doesn't block it, I REFUSE to mute for it, no matter what it is. So if a commander tarts cussing you out, accusing you of donaing an al that oher stuff, you're going to have to deal with it, becuause unless the filte bloacks something in it, I'm not punishing the person, period. Not until Emi lays down clear ground rules that EVERYONE agrees too. And, seeing as spam isn't filtered nor clearly defined, don't expect any mutes from that either. I am tired of doing my job, and getting accused of abusing my power, cheating, and above all else, favoritism.

So Emi, ifyou want me to start doing anything with te cat fltring, I advise you write out some rules for everyone to ee about what is or is not acceptable in the chat. Because until the, everything I do can be considered abusing my power, and I'm sick of people complaining about it.

And Frank, our only options as chat mod are mute or delete last three posts, we can't allow individal posts through. I use the delte 3 post function to get rid of a few minor things, but it's easier to just mute someone then keep deleting posts because they refuse to listen when I tell them to stop.

people give it a rest and let the mods do their job.  

if someone is a bit hot under the collar and starting to swear, then that is one of the MAIN people who should be muted, NOT BANNED, for a short duration, so that they have a chance to settle down WITHOUT taking it out on the chat room.

example: maxed lvl person in another game got PERMABANNED for cussing, which was against the rules, in a family friendly site

example2:another high lvl person got muted for 7 days for something he didn't even mean to say to someone who did deserve it.

and, mind you, this was done by actual company officials out there, so by all means, if you think a small 1 day chat mute is excessive, try those games to, I'm sure you'll be banned within days.  normally when someone starts cursing (and we have to go by public rules, not personal) it normally means that it will not be the first.

Luffy may have jumped the gun here, but wolfy should also know that a curse word, for whatever reason, is still a curseword on the chat room.  something like that should be done via PM, not chat.

case in point: teacher/parent/whoever walks by and happens to notice that one curseword (for whatever reason) and bans the poor kid from ever playing it again, even though it isn't his fault.


my basic point here is this: if you are going to have mods, let them do their job. sure there may be times where mistakes happen, which is why you can PM sir emi, if you have questions.  putting it here, however, will never be good in the long run.

and FYI: even the nazies had rules that people could go by.  you have your set of rules in the ToS, follow them, and you won't have anything to worry about.  this thread should have stopped at the posting of the ToS (with exeption of Emi's post) ToS was broken, punishment is to be given out.  it may sound harsh, but it has to be, because there WILL be people who come in JUST to break the rules and test your patience. and the harsher you are, the quicker you can get rid of them so the rest of the players can go on.

as for luffy... I suppose he could just stop muting everyone altogether until you all have a clear set of rules for him to go by.  just don't come crying when there is a curse fight starting and no one does anything...

ok, that's it, ttyl.

wow, i missed a lot the past few days....:P if it was me, you wouldn't have been muted probably...if it continued i'd probably use the delete function but it wasn't me so i am not responsible for monkey's actions :P

Well, I guess I have a different tolerance level for what is said, many words that are being called 'vulgar' are part of some pplz everyday language.

And as for the argument that some ppl are too young and havent been exposed to this kind of language seems like 1 person trying to convince themself of that, if they havent been exposed to it on television or in their schools or everyday life by now they must be Amish and therefor shouldnt be using a computer and gaining access to the internet.


My name is Silverthorne........ I think

For those accusing m of abusing my power: This topic is still here is i not? Check who the mderators for this area are. Me and Sir Emi. Wow IMAGINE that.

Secondly, as ars pointed out, this is suppose to be a FAMILY friendly site, not an adult bar. Therefore there has to be a line drawn.

But you know what, just forget the ToS, why don't we let davey boy put his picture of a naked girl as his avatar in the game again? If people should be allowed to cuss the onbscene way they do here, there's no reason he shouldn't be allowed tohave that as his avatar. There's no difference, AND he's in the top ten, so he should get EXTRA privilages.

your taking what emi said and twisting it around. i'm pretty sure he meant cuz the ones in the top ten r on post of the time and they go through alot of frustration in the game by trying to keep there top spots. so they tend to loss there temper some times. not that they need to be treated better.

things were said, mistakes were made, but all the assigning blame and making excuses - isn't that lawyer behaviour? i'm not taking sides here, just don't lets not let this blow up into a huge dramatic production. i can see people are getting really upset and it is just time everyone take a step back and breath deep. :tomato:


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no wolfy, what he said was the top ten should be given special treatment for making it up that high. Davey boy has been a top ten, but he received no special treatment when I reported the picture, no, he lost 50% of his workers in his secret base. And i found out later that he didn't now the picture violated ToS. He was the #2 commander when that happened. yet he was not given any differenttreatment then any other commanders. But now emi claims all top ten should be given special treatment. I think that they should be given LESS leway, as they are the best of the best, and a lot of people look up to them. They shouldn't be allowed to just break the Tos willy nilly and not be punished.

and don't make me laugh, getting to the top ten is a MILLION times harder then maintaining it. If anyone should be given extra cussign privilages, it's everyone ranks 30 and below.

And lost, I'm not stepping down now. I would have earlier, but then peope had to start IMing me and sending me emials calling me some very vulgar things. I don't know who they are (the emails are like whoreman1264554@yahoo.com, ect. basically one people set up in like, 2 minutes).

And I understand my actions were a little extreme, but to blantly say that I was abusing my powers, i never did anything until now because I wanted to get back at you for our forum arguements, I'm not petty,I could careless about forum arguements. unlike you, I'm not petty enough to hold a grudge over stupid stuff like that, I do however, hold grudges against people who accuse me of CHEATING, and of not even playing anymore when I'm on more then them.

And the funny thing is, most of the IMs/emails I get say they are either alliance members of wolfy's or good friends of his.

So I made a mistake, get over it, so did you. Oh that's right, your the great wolfym we sould all bow to your feet because you're in the top ten, I forgot.

lol me hold grudges. if that was the case we would have been at war long ago. to compare what we were muted for to a nude pic is very petty of u. i do love to see u try to worm your way out of things. but some people don't have the mental compacity to do that. i bet some of the people that sent u them mails have never talked to me before. they just say oh it's monkey. he makes everyone mad so lets go mess with him. believe me half of my friends in the game probably don't agree with me on this. but i'm still going to speak my mind. oh yeah u don't know how to do that seeing how u always say one thing then come back to say something else. i almost forgot u don't know who u r. so if i was u i would buy a better memory so u can remember what u said in the past as not to contridict your self. BTW is the one long post blended together hurting your eyes yet monkey(hope so). yes i remember all. the post wars from before is fresh in my mind as if they were yesterday. playing 4-10 hours a day to keep top ten is alot harder tham making it there. lots make it there but then the next day they're no where in sights. but to play them hours for over a month straight is alot harder than making it to top ten. just ask around and take a poll on how many people that made it to top ten compared to the ones that stayed there and u will see. yet another thing u know nothing about and me a newb has to school u. how pathetic that must be.

wolfy, for once in your life, stfu. Im not comparing wat you were muted forto the nude picture, I'm comparing to vulgar types of ToS vilation to one another. Secondly, I do speak my mind, you just don't see to grap that people can change their mind. What are you, 12? Resolving yourself t petty insults. and I didn't say those people did know you wolfy I'm saying they CLAIM to I actually RESPECT other commanders enough to want them to know when people talking trash clam to know them/be them. i may not like the way you act, but that doesn't mean Idon' respect what you have accomplished. Maybe it's time you grow up a little man, it's sad that I'm 17 and can act more mature then you, unless of course, you actually or 12, then that would explain a lot. i don' need to school" anyone in agam or on a forum. why? Because this placeis just a bunch of words and pictures, in all actuality, it doesn't exist, just data.

So maybe you should stop slandering other players, and jus ply the game, honsty, it's better image. Because as you said yourself, I'm just some stupid little f**k who knows nothing, right? So one uping me is just pathetic really.

ok my 2 cents muahah lol

we all now wolfy is an idiot so get over it everyone lol weither siether did or didnt over step the bouderies isnt my job to say its emi. emi has made his statement about the situation so get over it and take it on to the battlefield for anything else beyond that.

i dont care if ur top 10 or ranked deadlast in my opinion we are all to be held with the highest respect, becouse A) we actually dont reall know each other B) this is a game we all want to play "most of the time". we have alll accomplished individual goals through out our lifetimes here watever they may be. but in the end we all follow the rules that have been provided for use that are set to make this game joyable to play.

smee

if i forgot something im sure ill add more lol

who started the insulting on this forum unless u went back and modified the post u made. scroll up and see that u started it monkey. you're the one that acts like a kid. i know who i am and therefore i say the same thing over and over no changing things to contridict myself. cuz i know who i am and what i beleive. u can't say the same. is that what makes u so mad. r u jealous that your not grown up yet. seems every kid tries to act grown up and can't wait to grow up. it takes alot more than trying to act the part. as for smee i was taking it too the battle field but monkey wanted to have it all come out here. so talk to your boy. r better yet now that it's your boy doing it and not me. go ahead and act like him by contridicting yourself. ya'll have nothing to loss by posting on here. while i have alot to loss while posting on here. yet i still do it. so saids alot more for me then ya'll.

 Whoa - hey , people. i know you're both (basically) decent gays erm i mean GUYS  angel_not  you are both good GUYS, but now your just insulting each other and neither of you really deserves it. harsh. please please please both of you. :tomato: if you just leave this alone for 96 hours and come back and then you'll just see this and be like oh that , thats nuthin'. and Mr. Seither those cowards sending anon. insults are just cowards taking advantage to try and incite more trouble  and bad blood so don't give them the satisfaction and just iggy them.

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Look... you all are making a mountain out of a mole hill.  This started out as a minor issue/disagreement and now it has been blown out of proportion by those involved.  Perhaps an effort to return to the root issue would be a good thing.

Now, as for the swearing bit.  I myself swear a LOT (ask Monkey if you need to)... in fact, a lot more than is necessary.  HOWEVER, there IS a time and place for it.  Can you say that you swear in front of young children?  Or your grandparents?  Of course most people don't, because they realize that a certain amount of RESPECT is needed.  In-game chat NEEDS to be treated the exact same way, because there is no telling who is on the other side reading that vulgar language and what kind of effect it will have on them.  And while I agree that chat "Nazism" is perhaps unnecessary, one must understand that different words have different meanings in other places/times.  For example, 10 years ago, the worst insult you could give to someone was calling them a goof.  Nowadays most people see it in a much less negative light.  While you may cuzz all you like where you live and nobody there has a problem with it, someone who lives in another part of the world may have a huge problem with that one word you use.  I'm not trying to tell you that you can't swear or anything, just that when in the presence of other players, some restraint is in order.

This should not have digressed to the point that it did.  Monkey did what Emi had originally told him to do.  Plain and simple.  However, perhaps we should see about revising the Terms of Service if the filters are to be relaxed instead of bickering with each other over who said what.  Like, seriously guys, ad hominem arguments are completely pointless and only serve to get people's backs up.  So lay off each other, would ya?

Finally, wolfy... Monkey didn't start it, YOU did, as you can see here...


And yes, I did check all of Monkey's posts... he hasn't edited any of them.  Who's contradicting themselves now?

If this was my forum it would have gotten a lock before this crap started, none of this crap serves the purpose of this topic and is therefor spam and should not be continead

that was made by monkey before i said anything about the mental compacity. just like me. he never included anyones name on the insult. when he called someone petty for holding petty grudges. but my name is the only one mentioned in the post just like his name was the only one mentioned in my post. to say i started it is to say he started it. cuz no names were ever mentioned. once again Charlemagne doesn't read post well and u just want to defend people. as long as it's against wolfy then your all for it. but bring it on i can go against 3 people at once. on second thought get 5 more people on ya'lls side to post against me. maybe then it would be even. aslong as u don't get argus cuz he's mean. he may make me cry :).

I'm not taking Monkey's side because he's opposed to you, wolfy.  You're right, I missed the one comment about pettiness... but instead of ignoring it and ending it there, you had to take it a step further.  And then of course Monkey would take it to the next level because he's got different ideas than you.  But seriously... reread the earlier post I made and let's all stop this, because it's gone waaaay farther than it needed to.  Ok?

If you notice, the word I'M is IN FrONT of pettiness, meaning I'm saying I'm not petty, I don't hold grudges over stupid stuff. You, however, do seem to hold a grudge over stuff like that as YOU, not me, YOU brought it up in the first place. In the post before that, you said I had muted you on the chat because I can't "one up" you here on the forum. Holding a grudge like that would be petty. I was defending myself, not insulting anyone, so before you go twisting people's ords, make sure you read all of the post, ok?

And until emi locks this topic, it's staying open. I'm not going to give wolfy another reason to claim I'm abusing my power.

Here are the FACTS about what happened:
Emi originally ruled no cussing was to be allowed
You cussed, I warned (which you didn't see, but it was there), then you cussed again
I muted you

I was doing my job as it was defined at that time. The definition has changed, therefore the way i do my job has changed as well. I was not previously informed of the change. You, however, are trying your hardest it seems to make this some sort of grudge match, claiming i'm "out to get you" because I "can't win a fight on the forum". Try and slander me all you want, All the older players and I know I'm nothing like that, and I don't need to prove myself to the likes of you. Your petty insults don't phase me, and yes, your insults are petty. a mutrue person wouldn't have even started acting like you did, nor would they have "quit" because they weren't getting their way. my 8 year old sister acts more mature then that. I think you need to get your definition of mature checked buddy, because being an not a very nice person doesn't make you mature, just sad and pathetic.

the thing u said seeing how u just happened to leave out the sentence before that. was i don't hold grudges unlike u wolfy. i'm not petty like that. so ty for making me reread it for u did mention my name. as for quiting over it come one any one who pays for a service and then feels that there not receiving the service they're paying for at any time will try to find another service more to there liking. to call that inmature is to show just how young u must be to not know how basic life works. get a job and pay some bills and see if u go and pay for a service and not get mad if at any point your not satisfied with them.

You don't pay to play wolfy, you DONATE. A DONATION is not a SUBSCRIPTION, two TOTALLY DIFFERENT things.

You, apparently don't understand that difference. At NO point are you REQUIRED to pay to play Space Odyssey, therefore, you AREN'T paying to PLAY the game, you are DONATING to SUPPORT the game and it's maker. There is a HUGE difference.

And you are petty, if you have to try to get me banned all beause Imuted you and didn't let you cuss up a storm. THAT i petty, and you held enough of a grudge to post about in on the forum so you can slander me and try to get me banned. That's not only immature, but VERY petty.

I have a job wolfy, I hve to pay for my car insurance and my gas, as well as any activities I do. I get all about service and payment. It's also why I understand the difference between a donation and a subscription.

I'm not really paying attention to this cause i trust Seither so

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and good night

i said nothing about donating but was talking about the one year gold account payment. i paid for it cuz i enjoy SO. u still make no since as to why u think that's immature. cuz at any time u think your wasting your money. the first thing that comes to mind is not to pay that money again. u know the responsible thing to do unless your rich and have money to blow. BTW drakkin started the post u just decided to single me out. i wonder why! if drakkin would have never made this post then i wouldn't have posted about the muting. it would have been done in a mail too emi. but yet i'm to blame and that was a big lie. when have i ever tried to get u banned. go try to pawn simpathy for u off on someone else. it's way too late for that now. u have a car so u pay car insurance and gas. not saying much there in the ways of paying for services. say u go into a store and buy some milk. the expiration date is still good for a week. u get home with the milk and go to drink some. then u realize it's spoiled. u go back to the store and they say sorry u must have left it in the heat so they can't refund your money. will u go back and shop there again? i paid for a gold account to enjoy all the features SO has to offer and for a kid to come up and start muting people cuz he has power when there's always worst things than that in chat isn't enjoying what SO has to offer. therefore at the time i wasn't satisfied with what i paid for. is that a simple enough explanation for ya. if not then there's no easier way of putting it.

no, actually, you singled me out, and you'rethe one repeatidly posting. And i'm not saying donatig is immature, I'm saying claiming things should go your way BECAUSE you donate is immature. and BTW, upgrading to a gold account is a for of donation, as it is optional. You recieve more benefits for it, that's all.

and you weren't saying i that way before wolfy, so now you ARE contradicting yourself, something you claim not to. I completely get not going back to a place when they refuse to have some sort of compensation for a mistake on their part. However, quiting over something as small as not being alloedto say a few words on the chat is pretty lame and incredibly pitiful. An Emi was talking to snipe, and apparently you mentioned having me banned, because Emi wanted snipe's opinion on wither what I did was severe enough to even demod me. snipe saidEmi was laughing about the whole ordeal.

The fact is, I made a mistake dude, GET OVER IT! If you had a problem with how I was acting, rather then cuss me out after the mute, try talking to me calmly, saying I don't get why we can't say crap, and I would have explained that emi doesn't allowed that kind of language. You then could have gone to emi and said, hey, why aren't we allowed to say crap on the chat? He could have gone and said, oh, you are, why do you ask? and then I could have simply been informed and this whole thing stayed in proportion, rather then drakken post about it (and this IS directed at both of you) and then you trying to slander me continously by trying to make it sound like I was out for revenge over something extremely petty.

And my age doesn't matter wolfy, i'm a moderator, and part of the Space Odyssey Team. If I say something, you SHOULD liste to me. Think of the military, if your commanding officer is 24 and your 35, does that mean you can just disrespect them and not listen to them? No, you can't. I'm not saying you have to agree with me, but try acting a litte more civil and talking things out, rather then cussing up a storm when you don't get your way.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I respect you as a player and a commander, but the way you act needs to change. You show no respect for anyoneelse, merely because you've made the top ten. Yes, that does allow you to talk some trash, but it doesn't allow you to treat people like poop, the way you HAVE been. And it hasn't been just me, I have been watching the way you act towards others. You just seem to havea special spot reserved for me. I honestly don't know what your problem with me is, thi started shortly after you joined, when i was defending you against people ccusing you of cheating and donating, and you went off on me. Whateve your problem with me is, I dn't care. Being a Spae Odyssey Team member and long time player, much longer then you, by the way, I DO deserve some respect.

From now on, anytime you cuss at me, insult me, or anything else obsene and vulgar, I'm ignoring your entire post and acting as if it is not there. I will reply t others and that's it. i'm tired of having this same conversation with you over and over. Apparently it's just not sinking in, or you don't want it to. Whatever the reason, that's how it's going to be.

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my eyes are soar from reading lol

E come on bud lets lock this thread

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SHUT UP!!
please

give me some proof on that. oh that's right it's all lies. there for no proof. i've never even talked to snipe before. so for snipe to try and say i wanted u banned is a cowardly thing to do. must have been snipes thoughts but without the guts to put his name on it. i've already proven u started it with me in this forum so come on. u singled me out. i didn't even know seither was u until u posted on this post saying it was u. the fight between us started in the market changes post. u never defended me and i don't need no one to defend me. all this was cuz u muted one of my alliance members for saying that. he caught me on msn and i had to go to chat and say the same thing to make a point. it's not that u were doing your job. it's that u were muting people for little things while the big things go by unmuted every day. i know u will come back and say the little things need to be stopped too before they grow. ignoring the post about the big things never getting muted. it's your way of doing things. reply to half my post making u seem right and ignore the other half that would make your post wrong. as for the military example. 24 and 35 ain't 17. u can't even vote yet. skip my post all u want but u already know from the past as long as your posting about me then u will see a post by me in retaliation. so to shut me up is simple. u have to shut up! lets look at this in SO terms. all my attacks here were counters within 24 hours of peoples attacks on me or my alliance. an attack on me or my alliance deserves no respect from me and won't have my respect again until proven to be trusted again.

wolfy, I never singled you out. In that thread, I clearly stated that the market was being abused by people high up and that until some sort of system could be mad eto prevent it, Emi's restritions were a step in the right direction. YOU took it as an attack on you.

And wolfy, 17 may not be 24 , but the situation is exactly the same. I am ranked as your superior by being a part of the SO team.

And if you look back, every fight here on the forum has been started by you retailiating to posts, mos tof which have nothing to do with you. And wolfy, I didn't ignore the big things that happened in the chat. I never saw them happened, and they were never reported, so how am I suppose to know who did it and what happened? It's like saying that the police should automatically know who did what in a crime. Without evidence, they, nor I, can do anything about it.

I have never attacked you without being attacked by you first. And for your information,  did defend you, it happened when you first reached the #1 position, a bunch of people were claiming you cheated and were a donator. But whatever, it doesn't matter anymore. The fact of the matter is, I was doing my job as it was originally defined, meaning no cussing allowed. Whatever your intentions were, you cannot deny that you cussed repeatidly, despite a warning.

I have now been informed of a change in policy, and therefore am following those new rules.

You may not respect me as a commander, but it's time you respect me as an authorty figure, as there I am your superior there. I'm not asking you to like me, or even agree with anything I say. I'm asking you to stop coming into any thread I post and slandering me and trying to over rule my authority by claiming everything I say is a lie. If you want to be able to do that, talk to emi about becoming a moderator yourself.

And for your information, just because someone can't vote doesn't mean anything. It shows nothing except that the government does not view them as an adult because of age. It says nothing about who they are or what hey can and can't do.