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Ok, I'm officially pissed off


Let me fill you all in on exactly what the Terms of Service says.

   Limitations     
        (I) The maximum amounts of accounts per person
   You may have multiple accounts only on those circumstances:
   You do _not_ use your accounts to help one single account.
   You may _not_ finance a lower power account with a higher power one in orther to do damage to lower people using the higher account resources


This says NOTHING about the following:

• Paying for designs - Not using the royalties
• Bounty hits on characters
• Paying for encounter locations
• Assistance in recovering from attacks
• Just plain out being nice and wanting to give a gift

Does it really make the game that much different for you? Are you afraid of competition? This game is player vs player . . Pure PVP . . . . . If you can't handle the player vs player aspect of this game then go play a different game, or find someone to be nice enough to give you credits. I wont lie. I have had people give me credits as well as I have donated but you know what? Alot of my donations go to DuoBarton(#3224) and I end up attacking lower players. Reason for that? They learn when they get annihilated. Plus its a bit of nostalgia . . Wow I got taken out by Duo . . or Wow I exchanged blows with Duo and did ok!

I try to keep the player vs player aspect to this game and I do ask for credits from people. Sometimes I get them, sometimes I dont, however I highly disagree with the new change of only 1,000,000 items per transfer. If you're going to leave that, then add alot more items that are worth more. That actually is a good idea due to the fact that the Market hasn't been changed since it was implimented

THIS TOPIC WAS SPLIT TO ITS OWN BECOUSE IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE THREAD IT WAS UNDER

Smee

and since i do have a newly created alt ^^

the only thing i share between them is designs and yes i do have both of them in UEA


Smee :12:

It's for the best nicholas, people were abusing it too much. There's a difference between a payment and funding, and the payments had stopped long ago, and were to the funding part, which is against the rules, so Sir Emi decided to put greater limitations on it.

I am actually in agreement with Wolfwood on this one.

Other than that, i will add that as of now all my designs are private, until someone comes up with a way to pay me for my hard work.
I will require a payment of 2% of the total value of a single ship of whatever design you want.
ships where i can actually receive royalties in full under the current system are not included, which means that for now, i will still be available to design ships up to 5 trillion in value.

On a final note, id like to add that the market needs to be greatly overhauled, not just degraded because of a few people. Make the market more exciting, make it possible to buy and sell stuff in greater amounts than 1 million units. As it is now, its pointless to use the market for most everyone in the top 30.

a few people argus? at least 4 people in the top ten are funding others, and 1 in the top ten is recieving the funding. I noticed about 20 different, new people go flying up in ranks in hours, rather then days or weeks.

and Sir Emi said that he is working on the royalties, so I suspect her soon that they will be either back to the original 2%, or some other system in place that will be fair and give payment enough. The fact of the matter is, the market was being overly abused, and Emi stopped it. Quit complaining and get over it.

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I disagree with the new changes that have been made. The game is now nothing more than a boring day to day quest to find creds and workers by finding gt's and ep's. I wouldn't mind have a max person to person trade limit but the 1mil per trade is absolutely useless. This trade limit made the market useless to me after about the first month of the new round. You have also done major damage to the guys who are masters of design and earn their game time living off of selling these designs. As my last point during a war time battle we have no way to help our teammate recover from damage taken in the war. If something doesnt change as swiftly as it did the other day when or throats were cut by these restrictions then i will consider finding another game to play and donate to that has a real challenge. Fair is not the way of a game economy of this type. If you want fair go play "go fish" with yer sister.

Signed, Kryologic/Superscott

Kyrologic, fair means within the ToS, the "trading" via market were not within ToS at all, it was feeding, a blatent violation of Tos. Sir Emi has already stated that he is changing the royalties so that designers will get theirproper royalties somehow, but he has not stated how just yet. And you being a donator changes nothing, you have no power over this issue, as it is a total and complete violation of the ToS.

The fact of the matter is, people ARE feeding other players, they are violating the ToS, and because of THAT, sir emi put a limit on the market. His actions are the consequence of all those feeding other players. If you have a complaint, take it up with them, because this is their fault.

I agree with Emi's decision 100%, he made the right choice, as apparently people can't be trusted to stay within ToS by themselves. If you don't like it, then quit. It seems to me that the ones who do all the complaining are the donators, because Sir Emi keeps making it harder for them to get into the top ten and stay there easily. Either grow a backbone and play the game they way it is, or quit and go whine to someone else.

Just incase you somehow missed them, the points are:

1.People violated ToS, so Sir Emi changed the market to stop it
2.Sir Emi said he will change royalties so designers get what they should, but he did not say exactly how or what he will change.
3.There's no point in whining about it, even if you are a donator, because it had to be done. If it means you are unable to play anymore, then quit and shut up about it, simple as that.

Is that clear enough? or do you need it letter by letter?

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Whatever happened to earning creds and learning the game, people who reached the top did it by hard work and some admittedly by donating but the fact still remains 1 bill scanners were floating around the market that day who in their right mind considers that a legal payment for a design, if you have to rely on royalties from designs to gain power then get them to donate for you, makes more sense...

Sir Emi is dead on with this, would be nice to see people climbing the ranks without the aide of others

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Sir emi one little suggestion would be to put a cap on how much can be given in royalties for designs, obviously to match the price of the ship bought, other than that all you can do is give in to everyones design royalty demands, ( seems the current royalty isnt enough for them ) and then we watch the market abuse again

yup that would suck not being able to refund alliance members for lost ships in times of war. something needs to be done about the royalties fast. i had just gotten my designer back and now i'm forced to stay at this power till it is fixed. it's a no win on the changes to the market on either said. it will make the game more balanced but at the same time it takes away from all the legal ways to make creds. i'm caught between 2 games right now. i also play world of warcraft and they're coming out with there expansion in 11 more days. so i have that much time to decide which game i want to devote my time too. i have given alot of encounters away in the past but never took creds for it. but i would atleast like the option to do it if i'm ever in need of creds. i like SO more than warcraft but atleast warcraft has there act together. so i may be saying my goodbyes to SO in 11 more days.

wolfy, you can still earn money legally through the market. There is no limit on trades with CHOAM, just with other players. You guys don't seem to get that.

And I've stated it several times now, Sir Emi, in the SAME THREAD as the one he announced the change in the market, announced he will fix royalties to be fair to designers, as he realizes they are now getting jipped out of proper payment. and eventual you'll be able to fund alliance mates who lost ships, though not directly or as much, as Emi stated there will be some sort of alliance secret base in the future.

And the changes to the market only hurt one legal way of making money, which is designing, as encounters shouldn't be giving trillions, or quadrillions worth of credits period, and as I stated, Sir Emi is going to fix the design royalties, so in the end, the market change helps a ton more then it hurts.

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As far as i can see everyones complaining about the ability to stop abusing the market.

Since ive been playing SO most of the changes that have been made are to improve the game, and stopping market abuse is definetly one of the better changes.

It's not about who can get into the top 10 by using the games built in way more like who can transfer the most creds. Now the time has come for those who are 2 lazy to actualy take time and earn thier place insted of sit there transfering creds. There's enuff sites out there now to aid any player in building ships. not to mention the few players who dont mind explaining ship building. So there is no excuse for the amount of transfering going on recently.

If u have to complain about it then u must of been transfering creds bout time u actualy started to play the game.

:o)

well said chicpea, well said indeed. I couldn't agree with you more, and it's nice to see I'm not the only one who agrees with Sir Emi's decision.

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lets just start dday already and have a new round where people have to earn everything they get. this round has already been messed up by people transfering creds to there alliance members to jump them in power.

no, we need this round to continue a little while longer, until Sir Emi makes the necessary royalties update, and any other important updates he needs to make.

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now thats a great idea wolfy. why not initiate dday now and then noone can complain at the end of the round about someone else payin their way to the top. i agree with the fact that the market has had some abusers. but we are not all abusers. the problem at hand stems from some donating turns for someone else in trade for a large amount creds, thus giving the donater more bang for the buck. if that issue alone was dealt with folks would not be complaining about transfers.
Signed kryologic/superscott

superscott, people will continue to complain about ANYTHING that they don't like. People complain about donating, about killer fleets, about 1 turn a minute. The fact is, the market WAS abused, and Sir Emi changed it so that doing so is now pretty much impossible. It states in the Tos clearly:

Game updates.     
        Space Odyssey reserves the right to change any aspect of the game without prior warning. If you do not agree with the rules, please close this window and do not enter the game!

If you don't like his changes, then leave, simple as that.

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in regards to your statements mr.luffy, i could have suggested the same thing to you before the changes were made so please keep your emotional responces to yourself. i am not and will never be anyones buttkisser, i will speak my opinion and respect the opinions of others. i play this game because i enjoy it and i dont offer many suggestions but in this matter i felt i needed to. i dont disagree with some of the issues being brought up i just feel like resolving these issues could have been handled better by a collective discussion and opinion poll instead of taking sides and acting out of haste.

Signed, kryologic/superscott

if u don't like the rules then yes not play. but then to play by the rules and still get messed over then yes anyone would be mad about that. u can stand in the forums and act all high and might mister kiss up. the point of a forums is to voice your opinion. if u can't handle that then please reframe from using the forums. no one got an attitude with u voicing your opinion so please give us the same honor.

I'm not kissing up, but there is complaining, and then there is whining. Saying hey, this market change isn't fair for these reasons is fine, but saying it repeatedly is just whining and useless. If it bothers you that much, then quit, that's all I'm saying.

And wolf, I'm not having an attitude, but there's a point underlying all this, and that'sthis: everyone is using the ToS to show that no one violated them, but they keep forgetting that those sames terms of service allow Sir Emi to change what he wishes about the game.

and Sir Emi dind't act out of haste, he was shown evidence over a course of 2 weeks by various prominent members (I'll not say who, they may step forward if they wish too, of course, there is a thread in the suggestions area about this, where some of them are at) the main being that there was a 1B high tec scanner going back and forth between two people for about an hour before it was intercepted, and then before that there were three 750M scanners on the market going back and forth for quite a while too. These were clearly funding, as nothing would amount to that high of a payment.

I do respect yor opinions, and you as a person, because I do realize that this is unfair to a good portion of people who like to help out alliance mates/friends when they get hit hard, but it only takes a few people to ruin a good thing, which is what has happened.

And I would appreciate not being called a suck up/kiss up for expressing my opinion and defending Sir Emi's choice, which I believe to be the right one. You don't see me insulting you and calling you a traitor, now do you? No, I merely stated that there's no point in complaining continuely about the same thing, as it'll either be changed or won't. But most of SO is in agreement (I asked around in the chat, as only a few people, 20-30, actually get on and read the forum regularly) that limiting the market trading from person to person was a good idea. So it's doubtful that it will be changed.

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well from what i got in your reply to superscott who was just voicing his opinion is that if he doesn't like it the don't play. to me that's trying to silence someone u don't agree with. which is unexceptable. it may have just been worded wrong and came off like u were directing it at him when u weren't. i just had to voice my OPINION on that post u made.

I get that. And my post about if you don't like it, then quit, was not directed at superscott alone, but everyone who keeps complaining everytime something is changed and they have to work harder to climb the ranks. I understand you don't like, you may complain, just don't keep complaining, say "Hey, I don't like this because (reasons)" and that's it. Not contining complaining, and flaming anyone who agrees with what Sir Emi did.

But I do understand that you and superscott believe the decision was a bad one, and I apologize if my comment seemed directed at you, because it wasn't, I was stating that anyone who feels the need t complain excessively should probably quit, as they apparently have a problem with the game and it being changed. As far as I can tell, neither you nor superscott have complained excessively, just made your opinions heard, which is fine.

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aye got ya! don't get me wrong i love the new changes i was just saying the good and the bad from it. it's by far better to have the market the new way it is. i was just pointing out how it will hurt the ones that have been playing by the rules.

Yes, this is yet another example of how a few bad eggs spoiled the whole batch for everyone. Does this mean wolfy cant give me gazillions of creds anymore?? <----- JOKE  :lol_sign: JOKE  :thumbsup: JOKE

Hopefully this will slow down the quick risers and make newbs learn how to make their own way in the game, but they will find other ways to do things the easy way.

I am :diablo: Evil :diablo: and I approve this message

lol silver, and ya, I see that wolf, and I realize it hurts those who use the market legit (I don't use it at all, never was good at it, lol).

But you live and learn. Well, you live at any rate.

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there is one thing you all must understand, before continuuing on with all this... this game is NOT finished yet... there will be changes, some good, some bad, some ugly, some that won't make any sense until later things come in.  this game is in BETA TESTING if you don't know what that means, look it up.  our purpose right now is really to test it out and report bugs and comment (not whine and complain) about the additions and or subtractions.

how do you think ANY of the other games started out there? especially the really good ones.  all I can say is exactly what luffy said, and E says in the ToS...

If you do not like the changes being made to the game, QUIT, MOVE ON, and get over it.  chances are this game isn't for you and will only make you more miserable.

and another thing, if there is a chance to abuse something, chances are someone, somewhere, will.  there could be 99 people out there playing fair, but it only takes 1 bad apple with an instakill hack to ruin the day for all 99 other people...  I don't think I need to go very much further then that.  taking out ways to abuse thing's is just as important, if not more, then any new fancy addition to the game.

very well put ars68, very well put. I like the insta kill anology too!

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heh, ya, I had tha thappen to me a couple days ago to, was playing a FPS space game and some guy hacked the game, sat there killing everybody at least 2-5 times before he got banned, so people could get on with the game... not fun, let me tell you, especially when it was right there where the new people came in... imagine that, your new and first thing you see is someone hacking or cheating or something to completely pwn everybody... there'd be no way he would want to stay!

and this has to do with SpaceO because the point is hackers and cheaters are a serious problem to ANY online game.

yea, they are a big problem, they ruin the game for everyone and cause players to leave, it's a sad but true reality. Some people will do anything to win *hacks the server and sends a qudrazillion bazooka wielding space helmet with oxygen wearing penguins to each player to destroy them* lol

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i love these changes. finaly theres a chance of fighting a somewhat fair war. personaly id like to illegalize all sorts of money transfer except for royalties, but then too many noobs would be whining...

im gonna have to say this looks good there was soo much feeding going on last tiem i played... if u cant get to the top on your own skills you shouldnt be there... and if u are on top you should be able to design ships for yourself so even with ur designer refuising to work cuz of royalty problems u should still be able to keep moving up in power...

well hellsword ur once again right in my opinion.

Since I had leave over x-mas I really played a lot and for many hours so I could observe pretty good what happend in the ranking there some ppl doing good and promote them self while playing (e.g. number 3 and 4 of serenity alliance in the ranking) and there others I rarely or even never saw in the News ... but the market was very busy ... - So obviously some ppl here have been betrayed by others.

Feeding - in a massivly way like it happend this round does spoil the fun for most of the players staying legal and (most importand) fair.

As somebody said it before if u can t get urself to where ever - just quit or stay where u belong to stay.

Since I won last round I have taken this round a lot of time off and I don t mind so much about who wins or not this time, but it is possible to climb up in ranking without being feeded, as I did and as others did, but for sure it does take away the game fun and also the challange of the game when u get passed by somebody within hours and u don t even c a single mission or encounter being done by that person.

An other point mentioned here before is refunding of alliance members after or in wartime ... well what does this mean, if this would be a main tactic within the game, nobody not being member of a top 10 ranking alliance (better not being a co-alliance member of a top 5 player) could risk anymore to start - or even worse - fight back in a battle or war. - It would mean even if a rank 30 fights with rank 31 - rank 30 wins but unluckly he is the highest member of his alliance but rank 31 has e.g. rank 1 and 5 in his alliance and got resupplied ... than h starts a 2nd battle and rank 30 will be broken ... - I don t think that this is the idea in the game - there limits in the attack range on purpose otherwise we could start each round directly in dday ...

well maybe something to think about.

w/r bb

first off i have been designing my own ships. hence why i said i just got my designer back. but to compare my ships to my designers and his would be better. designing ships is a trade skill and like any other game trade skills r done for making money only. my designer enjoys designing more than the rest of the game. to take his trade skill away from him would take away from the game experience.

"And I would appreciate not being called a suck up/kiss up . . . . "

Let me tell you something Luffy . . . No-one ever said you have to be nice to be honest. Thats why they call it being brutally honest. People say, if you dont have anything nice to say, then dont say it at all, but the truth hurts and the 10 commandments state Thou shall not lie, correct? Game set match

You nag about people complaining over and over and over. All I have heard you do is state that emi has the right to change the game and that people violate the terms of service, so that makes you a hipocrate(sp?)

ANYWAYS, as for my objections for the market change.

Who says a certain amount being transferred has nothing to amount to being worth that much? Wolfy has stated to me repeatedly that if it wasnt for me sitting down with him and teaching him how to design ships, that he would still be buying ships from Lammalord. Wolfy is in 2nd place right now. 2nd or third . . . . and is very much still a contender for first place even with giving credits out to other people. Tell me something, someone whos making quadrillions easily each day without donations or people feeding him credits, how can you possibly speak for someone such as him and state that that much is too much of a payment to give someone?

Luffy insulted me and the navy for objecting the market changes in a conversation with him and also stated that I was just pissed off that I cannot recieve credits anymore. Your d**n right I am pissed off. With as much crud as I recieve back from people after giving one person a good attack, and as much as I have done for other people, I feel i have the right to recieve credits from other commanders and so do other people.

Just because we have/had people who were willing to give us credits instead of you, doesn't give you the right to tell us whats right and wrong. You have full control over what happens and what doesn't happen in the game. You can be nice to people and give them reasons to give you credits, as well as you have full rights to donate to the game to recieve the credits for donations.


The problem is as simple as this. People get jealous when good things happen to other people. When people are capable of donating, the poor broke fools whine and complain about donations even though donations pay for the server costs. I am in no way shape or form talking about those who COULD donate but werent able to due to paypal not being able to exchange currency, or the currency of the country is much less in value then the US Dollar.

Jealousy is nothing more then greed going unanswered. Grow up, cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it.

Right now, I am working on the last end of the bridge about the market being changed, but I have yet to hear solid evidence as to how it effects YOUR gameplay. All I have to say in return to people who say it changes the way the game is played is . . . . . Get some skill. I can't say much on the skill part as I am still not the top 10, however with only being given a limited amount of credits from players and donations, I still remain at the top 20 even after dealing with random attacks that I have had to endure as well as counter attacks.


EDIT/Addition:

I am not afraid to call people to the table. The TWO PRIMARY CAUSES OF THE MARKET CHANGE ARE THEDARKNESS AND CHICPEA . . . .

If it was not for Lammalord getting fed so much credits, they could care less. They for some reason have a servere hatred for Lamma. They both feel that Lamma was stalking chicpea or something and thus don't like him at all. They think he is sleazy and the sort. For the most part, i would agree due to the way Lammalord has skated by however . . . I find it kind of pathetic that they decide to complain about market transfers then to physically show Lamma that he has no skill. They I feel are too afraid to attack lammalord due to the risk of losing their position which goes to show that what they have built up . . . . is all they have. Any attacks on them would knock them back serverely. Sure they would make it back within time, however thats work they dont want to do. If that ever did happen, do you think one would hesitate to help the other?

Let me put this situation past you. Keep in mind, this is theoretical to get my point across.

Say I was in range and put an attack on Darkness. Let's say I took out a few of his ships and made him resupply a ton of marines. I highly doubt he has enough credits saved up to easily resupply his fleets. If he says otherwise, I say prove it. . . . . Anyways. Darkness would be down for the count for a while. Smartest Idea would be to sell the remaining ships, get back as many credits as you can and resupply with slightly weaker ships to get back to war status. (I say war status because the rounds I was incredibly active, you were always ready to be attacked. You werent ready to do missions. You could do missions with whatever you could get ahold of) Do you honestly think that Chicpea would hesitate to give her own husband credits to get back to his prior status? I think very strongly that Chicpea would not hesitate to give her own husband credits to get back in the rankings with her, as well as to get even with me.

Just for your own sanity wolfwood get over yourself, i couldnt care less about a loss and i would in no way take creds from chic, man you guys have some serious prob about a game, if you cant play fair then just get lost thats my opinion, i wont help chicpea shes big enough to come back from an attack as am i, you market hounds please keep our names out of here oh and for information purposes i like lamma

Why thanks Duo if i knew i had such power to convince Emi to make radical changes i wonder if i can get him to change ur password and not tell ya lol

Going by ur post its obvious ur a lil upset that u cant transfer creds anymore well forgive me if im wrong but if Emi didnt think it was neccessarry he wouldnt have made the changes. And another thing how did u come up with the fact myself and sean are the main causes of the change dosnt the fact that theres a few others stating they see the market being abused for hours on end mean anything to u.

Every round there's been some form of cheating and how fair is the game to any player if its left to go on. i say the ones that moan n whinge the loudest are usualy the guilty ones of transfering creds as now they cant get all those lovely free creds anymore. TOUGH learn to stand on ur own 2 feet n get creds the same as every other honest playing person does.

And as for ur theoretical point about me feeding sean to get him back why should i have too he lost all his fleet before and got them back himself without any need of assistance if he can do it so can any player. THERE'S NO NEED TO CHEAT IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.

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just one more little note to add, i like the fact im big enough to sort my own ships in this game, are you man enough to make your own money without relying on others feeding you, what emi has done is great, he is trying to crack down on cheats and abusers of HIS game, and my god why would he ever want to do a thing like that....

let emi run his game, when he asks for help on suggestions fine give him your suggestion and leave it at that, are you guys forgetting you are players not the owners, you dont hold special privileges because you can design good, your not some god in this game no-one is, if i lose all my ships i think i would just sit back and laugh like i did when wolfy attacked before, its a game pretty senseless getting all bent out of shape over who is higher in the rankings who has the most creds... and who can gain the most creds from illegal transfers, the fact remains 1 billion high tech scanners passed around like candy is in no way a payment for any service...

I love it when i see people restricted from cheating, lmao its a game and its not run by anyone but Sir Emi..

FOR THE RECORD ANYTHING EMI HAS DONE TO THE GAME HAS MADE IT EVEN BETTER< MY ONLY QUIRK WOULD BE DARN WHY DOES HE LET JUST ANYBODY JOIN!!!!

Sorry but I have to say this, lets not forget the end of last round when a certain person opposed to the market changes was crying out for people to resupply him because he was under the impression most of the top ten uses his designs, this was when everyone was in the quints, 2% of a quint??? something like 200 quad lol thats really fair trade for a ship made in the same way a bill ship would be made lol... quit moaning about what emi is doing and just be happy he is restricting your cheating, sorry the cheating now

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If your trying to insinuate that I was playing last round, your wrong.

Way to go chief. Last round I was in Great Lakes, Illinois being refined for the needs of the Navy. Kinda hard to play a round of space o when your no-where near a computer that you can access, nor have the time for.

I finally started playing again after this round started.

As for royalties? I have always been screwed over on royalties. You know d**n well that I have designed outstanding fleets and any veteran can tell you that my fleets have been a force to be reckoned with. What people do is clone my design, check it out then make their own version of it thus screwing me out of credits due to the fact that it would give me 2% of the resupply, helping me out even further. They were afraid of the competition like most people still are.

I'm not the greatest commander in this game by a long shot. Theres alot of people who give me a run for my money but I have never feared a good challange of competition. Why do you fear competition?


As for You mentioning the possibility of Emi changing my password  . . . If he likes running this game and wants to keep running it, he couldnt possibly change a users password unless requested by the user. I have two gold accounts, as well as I have donated quite a few times so there would be some serious problems if that happened. Plus, Emi wouldn't be that stupid.

I came up with the fact that you both are primary motivation for the changes due to the fact that everyone has mentioned to me that you constantly complain about market transfers. What is your huge problem with market transfers in the first place? Does it seriously effect your game play? Are you two upset that you both are not #1 and #2 anymore? How exactly is transferring credits cheating? Im just about every other game that involves some form of currency, currency can be exchanged between two players, so what's the big problem here? Seems to me its just people who are jealous are complaining about market transfers. Why do you care so much about what other people are doing? How does it effect you exactly? Oh, it shoots people up in ranking . . So what . . are you afraid of competition? Seems rediculous

Why is it I hear everyone say that you donate, however you both constantly deny it. If I remember right, you told me that you have donated a few times for turns so if you say otherwise, your contradicting yourself but thats besides the point.

You say the ones moaning the loudest are those guilty of transferring credits . . . Thank you captain obvious . . When did I ever deny that I have recieved or given credits? Hell, I have even asked you and chicpea a while back and you both trembled in fear at that thought thinking oh if we did that we would get banned!

Also, for my final point . . . I record all my chat conversations with people on MSN, and if you really wish to try to knock me and lie on these forums, I would be MORE then happy to provide whoever asks with logs stating that you AND chicpea don't like lamma and the things you have said about him.

Good Game!

Care to try again?

nicholas, i insulted you yes, and i did say if all the navy are like you, then they aren't all tat. But that was a personal conversation and had no berring here. As for complaining, I get why people are upset, and i understand and agree to a point. Yes, it sucks. But it is for the overall greater good for the game.

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ok sorry nciholas but without damaging that ego of yours i have to say the comment wasnt about you, but i should have let you get on with the moaning like there always is

Just in case u didnt notice but i think it was Foo that started the post not me or sean so we arnt the only ones to complain about market abuse. And if u read it there are a few other that agree the abuse was getting out of hand.

I only ever denied donating to squank coz to be honest he dosnt need to know my buisness and if uve ever read back through the posts ive stated i have donated and i will carry on donating whenever possible why not its a great game, (So long as it remains a fair game).


By which i mean feeding quads of creds to alliance members to bring them up in the rankings does not seem fair, everyone else plays the game spends time on the game only to be passed by a player who just sat there taking creds through the market. Just remember u got all pissy demanding ur ships back when u thought u lost them unfairly in battle well i want the cheating to stop and i think i have every right to post my views on abusing a game ive played for so many hours.

I dont care who cheated the fact remains they cant do it again so im happy.

Oh and about Lamma gee everyone knows we've had our disagrements not like we keep that a secret n ive never hated anyone its a game u need to take ur combats off grab a beer n chill all the Lamma stuff's old news now.

 :) :) :) :)

Is it me or am i the only one who could tell this was sarcasm or making fun duhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

As for lamma really nich you kind of need to catch up with the times i get on pretty well with lamma and before we did get on theres plenty of times me and him went head to head in one form or another lol, get over yourself  if you cant play without the credit transfers then dont play, other people can do it and oh by the way i got plenty in my stash but your the last person i would show lol


Screwed on rayalties lol, we havent gotten them for over two rounds for any ships people have bought do you hear us moan about it, dont even tell emi about it, whats the point, the credits are virtual you know...


Oh one other thing why would we want to get even with you????? this i dont get i mean is there something you have done, or is this another pathetic duo attempt to make himself look the main man in space odyssey, i think maybe you should read a post first and not jump to the assumption its about you, as you said you werent even around last round so how in the hell could it have been about you, another duo barten original thinking everythings about him...

true nicholas u taught me how to design and for that if i could i would give u half my stash that with max line would jump u almost to my power. it's true that darkness and chic now get along with lamma. for the most part of this round lamma has been honorable and getting along with everyone. no longer the war monger he was before. when i attacked chic and darkness before i left chic with 2 ships and darkness got 0red. it took him awhile to recover but chic recovered as soon as she logged on. so proof there that chic didn't give darkness creds even in his time of need. another point i made to alot of people moaning about people raising power from transfering creds. was that if they didn't like it then hit em to knock em back down in ranks. problem was the only one it got into the top 10 spot was an AL member. heaven forbid if anyone gets the guts to attack AL with lightseeker as leader. lamma was always in the top 10. not sure about him getting creds but i did give him some gold encounters when kry wasn't logged on. maybe that's why he kept his spot even without playing the game that much lately. the way i see it is if u don't like it then hit em and knock em back down. this game was made to where people would have that option. i myself can care less. so what if someone passes me on power from others giving em creds. i know that i had the skills to do it with hard work rather than a free ride. light past me by far and yet i don't care. so what if i havn't seen him do an encryption in 2 weeks. meaning only one thing (donations for turns). i'm happy to know that i'm doing it all on my own. if your not happy with being able to get on top ranks by yourself and want to be higher than the ones that get a free ride. then your not enjoying the game for yourself. your just wanting to show off your power to others. just my experience from other games. play the game for yourself. not for your place in the ranks. nicholas would be a good example for that. he doesn't go for the highest rank. he goes for what he enjoys like pvp. he would be alot higher in power now if not for his enjoyment of pvp. i'm sure he would be in the top 10 by now even tho he started the round late if not for pvping. just do what ya'll like and never look at the ranks. i can go a day without looking in the ranks. only look there when i upgrade r someone from my alliance saids that they upgraded.

duo, grow up... again... seriously... who said this game was all about change?  just let it go.

and the fact remains that there is nothing more unnerving for someone trying to play fair then to find out that the people getting past you is not better then you... but just that they had some good connections in game.  that's almost just as bad as hacking the game itself... the only consolation being of course that they will never be #1 as otherwise who will feed them that far?

and one last thing, that there is NO way I am letting get by me...


great, then this whole thread is now pointless because this really doesn't change any part of how the game is played in any shape or form, and the only things it hinders, can be gone around.  B-) so nice to hear.

and now to go to the final things:
if you EVER hear me talking out about donations, it's not just because I don't have an account with paypal or whatever... chances are even if I did (which at this moment I DO have a gold account... even though I don't play much now... :( ) I would still complain about certain parts of it... why? because:
A: Sir Emi said outright straight from the start, he did not want to have a donation system that would create a split in the rankings, where the only way to 'get better' was by donating... or as he called it: 'keeping the playing field even'
B: I have went through TONS of different games, both online and offline, and have seen how certain aspects can be changed by certain things...  like for instance (and sorry for me bringing up such an old discussion) straight from the start, I said 'donating for turns will create problems in how even the playing field is' did I not? I was then told not to worry... but come a couple months later, WHAT was brought up? 'people are donating for huge amounts of turns and jumping to the top' my point? I SAW IT COMING because I SAW IT BEFORE.
THAT is why I occasionally talk out about donation system... because anyone can make a donation system, just look at tinywarz, runescape, adventure quest, and a LOT of other games out there... but it takes a game designer who is more worried about making a good game rather then making a quick buck to try to keep it even... so who am I NOT to put up my own little warning flag when I see a potential problem coming up?
so please, LEAVE DONATIONS OUT OF THIS. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

on another note someone said this: lots of other games let people transfer credits and such so I don't see the point in all this.
however, they also have checks and balances to keep it fair.  THIS GAME DOES NOT HAVE THOSE YET, as such, for right now, this is the only way to keep it fair, and Emi has already said he is working on correcting those who legit reason to transfer credits.

and for the rest of you that don't see how this affected gameplay, take this into consideration:
person A pummels person B below his attack range... to keep on attacking him, he would have to stop growing... otherwise, the other person could simply grow right below him...
now enter person C, who is funded by person A, to grow to just the right amount to continue the pummeling against person B.
thus, person A is free to grow even further up, while person B is stuck, as now he is effectively fighting 2 accounts at once. why? because person C's account is being fed by person A, which btw, IS against the ToS.

and really... I COULD go on... but I doubt I really need to.

best thing to do, really, is to drop it.  as someone else said, this is Emi's game, and he has made his decision, and TOLD US he is not changing his mind.  so, this whole conversation is just leading to muting's and banning's somewhere along the way.

oh, and PS, duo, I believe he was joking about the changing your password, aka banning your player.

Hahahah Dance Puppets Dance!

Seriously guys . . . It's a game and yeesh . . I didn't expect such a response. . .

My base point about all of this is this game is all about war and player vs player. Why is this game switching to who can do the most encounters and play the longest? Honestly, how is that fair? Also, encounters are based off of the top 10 and how high they get for how many encounters I get. They get an incredibly high encounter that they can do, and their low encounters are my high encounters so I find virtually NO encounters around my power level and when I do manage to find the 1 out of 100 that is around my total power, I do the encounter and it ends up cutting the power down to 20% of what it should be. Why? Theres no way you can say that the encounter system is fair for EVERYONE but you don't see darkness and chicpea saying anything about encounters, do you?

Oh well . . . It's a measely web based game. I could spend my time, not spending a dime hosting my World of Warcraft server, or playing on my 66 druid in everquest. Or better yet, I can spend my time working once I get back off of leave.

As for the response to it not being darkness and chicpea . . Ok, yeah I went overboard just singling those two out, however Foo posted the post . . . and Darkness and chicpea jumped all over the post so . . Sure, it wasnt their single handed doing, but it was motivated by them as well. Foo, Darkness and Chicpea . . . Who else were primary motivators about the changes? All the changes made by emi were Foo's suggestions and were not voted on as to how it should be handled. Emi made the changes without getting a vast majority of the populous' opinion.

So u want the players to vote on if cheating is fair or not let me just check on sommink are u from this planet Duo if people voted yes to cheating is fair then they'd look like they was happy to cheat how many players would leave the game because they dont want to play in a game with cheaters.

It's not like the cheating had only started it had been going on constantly for a few weeks. There's no way that those we're all payments for services rendered. If u want it changed back post a poll and then see who agree's, but to be honest if it went towards yes let the cheating continue i'd definetly leave to find a game where people dont get away with abusing how a game is played.

Oh and just one more lil point myself and sean have been the players that have posted the least amount of complaints in here, but we have mentioned to Emi through in game mail about the encounters there is a thread in here where Sean even posted Emi's response prehaps u should stop the mud slinging and do some homework before u jump on players that post thier views in here.

Prehaps this game isnt for u and maybe u should do as u posted and go play ur other games it's quite obvious ur not enjoying this game now it's become on a more level playing field.

Chicpea

:)

Wow chicpea, finally, someone speaks some sense and slaps duo in the face. Way to go. Un fortunately, I have to silence two things that are going to continue to come up, because people here seem to be too incometent to browse through all threads before posting in another, as Sir emi posts info in others sometimes without making a seperate post.


Incase you don't understand what he is saying, this is the plain english translation: At midnight server time (I assume server time, as it'd be hard to make it midnight each players' time) you will get 5%-15%, depending on your commander level, of the 2% royalty for the ship that you designed which was purchased each day until it is paid in full (example: 1T ship is bought, royalty is for 20M, at midnight each night you receive 5%-15% (1M-3M) until you receive the full 2%. This way, the designer gets full royalties, and feeding is so time consuming it's a waste. This completely solves the royalty problem, and thus justifies the market being limited in PvP trading, as there is no reason a trade, or 3 if you are gold, is not sufficent enough for payment of services such as repayment for loss of ships, or location of an encounter. If you want to pay more, repeat the payment process the next day, and so on until satisfied. or let them raid you a few times if they are within range. There are other options available, start looking for them, because without the royalties part of this arguement, you have very little ground to stand on involving how limiting trading PvP in market severely hurts a players profit.


wolfy, you need to learn to do the following:
1. Talk to someone BEFORE accusing them of ANYTHING, even something as common as donating.
2. Can you try to use the enter button, seperate parts of your post, making it just a little easier on the eyes? all that together can be an eyesore, especially with this forum's background. It would be much appreciated.

I know for a fact that lightseeker doesn't donate. Why? Because I TALK to him ALL the time, and he states he has NEVER donated. His gold was given to him by Sir Emi for exceptional commander skills by taking first so many times. Many of you are going to ask why I am defending lightseeker, he's not in my alliance, or anything like that. The reason is simple: He's the best player that has ever existed, and most likely will ever exist, and he does not deserve to be talked about that way, as if he is some common riffraft who wins via donation. That is probably the single biggest insult you could make at him, and I will not tolerate it, not against him. I understand ignorence may have been a part of it, and that's fine. Just don't ever do it again.

And in regards to my post count, as yet again, some of you bring it up to insult me, I only have this to say:

• 1. I express my opinion on something whenever I feel it should be expressed.
• 2. I don't care if you think I spam all the time merely to raise my post count, I know that I don't, and while some of my posts might only say "I agree, this is a good idea" it does not mean that it is not insightful enough to be posted. It is a show of support for a fellow commander's idea, without having to say the exact same thing they already did. I don't know about you, but I hate having to reread the same thing over and over, because someone has to restate everything that's been said already.
• 3. If my posting was such a problem, Emi would have requested that I not do so so much. He has not, and until then, I will decide when and if I want to post and how long my post will be, period. You may have your opinions on this, but I will not be silenced because a few people think all my posts are worthless spam. Am i not a player of the game? Do I not have the same right as you to express my opinions and views? I am no higher then any of you, nor any lower. Our rights are equal, you seem to keep forgetting that.
  
  All I'm doing is expressing my opinion on most subjects that come through here because I know that most players and Sir Emi himself, don't have the time/patience to go through and read every single topic to see people's opinion on things. For those who do read all those topics, yes, I'm sure seeing all those posts by me is infureating at times. Learn to deal with it, skip them if you want, but stop hassling about it, telling me I'm worthless, that i post nothing but spam to raise my post count, or any other vulgar thing you keep telling me. I don't care what you think about me and my opinions, they are mine to express when I want, however I want. It's as simple as that, so stop hassling me about it.

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first off when i joined this game everyone said lightseeker is the best player in the game. haha very funny in this round i havn't seen any of that. to not donate and not do encryptions but still be on all day playing in first place without donating would be a bug he's using. if u don't like the way i do my post cuz it's uneasy on your eyes. then please by all means skip my post. the new royalies may be fixed in some peoples eyes but it's still bull. i have someone in AL that admitted it to me that he donated turns to light for exchange of creds. he may not do it his self but still. i never said he donated for turns. i said donate for turns. without pointing fingers at who did it. so please if all u have time to do is hang on the forums and look for post to complain about. then u need to seek professional help. for u have to much hate in u. just think u were saying just 3-4 days ago that you're tired of the people that constantly complain. but yet your so fast to complain on what others say that u don't agree with. kind of a contradiction on your part. so please in the future. practice what u preach!

heh, I agree 100% duo, this game HAS gotten to much to be just whoever can be beat the computer most and the fastest...

he isn't using a bug, are you seriously this stupid? you're not on all day. He is on at a different time then you and is obviously doing everything then. and no you said only one way he could have done it, donate for turns. THAT is pointing fingers.

And I do practice what I preach. I complain about something in the game once, and that's it. I respond to other people's posting, countering them, as you do in a debate such as this. I'm not complaining about other people's opinions, i'm saying this is why i think they are wrong, and am trying to convince them otherwise. Sometimes, they prove me wrong, and I yield. Sometimes it remains neutral ground. And wolfy, I'm homeschooled via the internet, and I get my homework done in a few hours, so I have freetime to get on here. I don't need professional help because of that. and I've said this before, I'm the nicest guy you'll ever meet unless you insist on angering me. And even then, if you come to me being nice and want a nice conversation, I'll be nice and talk nice. Someone's past does not dictate who they are. People change.

So before you start insulting me (which is against ToS), I request you know what you are talking about.

And my asking you to space your post out when it is exceptionally long was a request, something you ask someone one a friendly bases. I'm not saying/demanding you do it, I'm asking, as I'm sure I'm not the only one who's eyes it strains.

and yes, dup is right about that, this game is, and has been for a while, PvC, it needs to return to mainly PvP. That was what made it so great when I joined.

u stated i need to learn to space. u didn't say can i learn it. u stated i need to learn all them things u posted rather than asking me if i would do it. key word need. i may not type like i know proper grammer but that doesn't mean i don't know it. need is making a statement of what u required for them to do. meaning u are telling them to do that. maybe for the last week i havn't been on all day. but before that i was. just ask people before u start assuming things about me. OMG is that another contradiction of yourself. earlier post stated for me to ask before accusing people. once again practice what u preach please. we need honesty here. oh but if u practiced what u preached then u would have nothing to say. there fore u would have less that 1k post. could that be why. u tell people to earn everything in the game without cheating. yet before i made my way to the forums i never even know u played. so basicly u can't earn your keep in the game. so u stick to the forums with the most post so u will actually win something. now who's trying to beat em all. please when u become a good debater. then feel free to come back and host another discusion with me. but for now i see your not worthy of that battle just yet.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Maybe we ought to have a "debate" thread... :)).


I support 3 things on the topic of making transfers-

• 1.) All transfers be approved by a certain % of players. (Similar to what Duo suggested)
  
• 2.) All transfers be kept private and are sent to emi for approval without the approval of other players.
  
• 3.) A certain # of players (such as council) are specifically chosen to approve a transfer that is pending by two players. Without the approval of x amount of these chosen players, the transfer cannot go through.

Now, I DO think that transfers can, and have been abused. However, I disagree 100% with the limits emi put on transfers.  :4:

Emi has said he is looking for a way of transfering credits that won't be easily abused. I think he may have something in mind, and #1 wouldn't work because not enough people would care or people whould use alts, easily abused, 2 because sir emi is rarely on, so transfers would take forever, and 3 might not work because the council may not be full of pure players, or they might get paid of in some way, ect. Right now, Emi's idea is the best defense against it. Maybe later he'll make something better that will solve all the problems.

Well, when I say a certain % I mean that a poll should be made and players have to post why they agree or disagree with the transfer.

Regarding the post about Lightseeker - usually he is on when I am, I dont know what time zone he is in but I am in Hawaii. I've been online when the news board was filled with lightseeker doing missions and encryptions. Many times there were only between 15 - 20 ppl online at the time.

I'm just stating what I have seen when I'm online.

Thank you for your time and dont forget to vote SILVERTHORNE

lol i didn't say he never does em just said i havn't seen one in 3 weeks done by him. the last week i wasn't on much. but the 2 weeks before that i was on this game 12-16 hours a day. none were done then

12-16 hours does leave an 8 hour window, and he is usually on at night as far as I know, plus, with so many people doing galaxy and all that and the news being flodded, he could do them and they never show up for you because of refreshing at the wrong time.

and midnight, even if it was in game, or on the forum, not enough players would respond to a poll for it to do any good. It took us nearly 3-4 months to get the 50 votes for the council members, and that was when wehad more active players (we have a lot of players now, but many quit, both old a new, and few come and join the forum)

Whil yes, I do want to see a fair system set up for credit transfers, as I do believe it would greatly benifit the game, I don't want to see something like that market, it's too easily abused, and can't be controlled at all in it's previous form. Hopefully Emi will think of something. That's all we can ask for.

lol i can tell u have never been on while i was grinding encryptions. i do 3 to everyones 1. sometimes with alot of people on doing encryptions i still manage to get 3-4 on the news at once. u can discuse it with me all u want but there's no changing my mind. i have seen more than enough proof!

Ive been online when you've been doing them Wolfy, I've seen you clean out the galaxy.

wolf, if you do so many, don't you think you yourself might be shoving his off the screen? look at it this way.

lightseeker does a contract, 4 others do one and are on that same news. Even if you do only one, you push him off the news. while it's unlikely, it's possible. I stand by what I said, light plays honest and fair, he has not donated for himself, nor exploits any bugs. He's the best commander out there, and easily the most honorable.

i still have to see it to believe it.

I saw him do tons this past week, including today. I still believe your just missing it.

lol i was on today and was sitting still changing pages to look so ty now i know u r lieing for him by saying today. no way i missed it today.

he was doing it today, 2:12am EST. It's now 6:33pm EST. so thank you very much, he was on doing them, as was jmatthews.

and yet i was on at that time. please try again later when u can name i time i wasn't on. u said today rather than refering to it as last nite even tho it was am making it today. but the first thing that would pop to mind would be last nite rather than today. seems u r changing your story around now trying to find a time i wasn't online. weird that u would go through so much trouble and false statements just to try and be right for once. oh well that's a shelters life for u. such low goals in life.

I hope Light doesn't get mad I stated this...  :6:

Light is from romania, and tends to be on from 3:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. est time. I have noticed that there are RARELY any other players on at this time. Also, Light stopped doing encrypts (He rarely does them, but he might do a few on occasion). He only does encounters. That might be why you never saw him doing them...lol...  As for Light being an honest and donation free player... Luffy is right... Light is the greatest player that has ever played the game, and does not donate. I think maybe I have said too much... :sweat

So right now 

It is 12:27:17 PM EET in Bucharest, Romania

and
   
It is 12:27:46 AM HST in Honolulu, HI

Do I sense some frustration there wolfy?
I've been helping Sir Emi with things such as suggestions and testing ever since I started playing it, but that's all I can do, I can't afford to donate; the only thing I have is the gold account, you may ask Sir Emi about that, I haven't bought my way up; just relax and enjoy this fine game :)

no fustration and ask davey r kry. when u upgraded so fast i stated that your on when no one else is. u usually pop on at nite when i'm about to log. giving the whole galaxy to u. yes was i hasty to point fingers. seems the the big transfer of credits for the donation for turns in exchange for creds was at the same time that u got your 148 mil scanners ganked in the market. so i would bet the 2 stories got mixed up into one story. so before all i will like to say i'm sorry to light seeker and drakken. even tho i didn't say his name he was the only one it could have been.

thank you wolfy, apoligie accepted....i was not fed in to the top, light and emi can verify that, i have donated this round, for others and myself.i bought two gold accounts for my friends and turns for a few people and myself...but lightseeker was not one of those.i earned my way to where i am , even if it was by buying turns a few times...but so what its my money and ill support emi if i so choose.ive recieved creds this round, for services for others....ship designs and finding events, but never more than 20 trills..and when you have multiple ships that cost multiple 100's of trills and quads 20 trill aint nothing.and yes i have given others creds...for finding me events and for designing me ships...so what? its not against the rules...emi said as long as you dont powerboost someone you can pay them for services done...eh, lets stop all this forum bickering and lets get dday over with ....so you guys can start a new round, this will be my last :)
Peace And Happy Hunting
Drakken

Im still rather amused that Chicpea went as far as to call it cheating. I really still fail to see why Chicpea and Darkness are so against credit transfers. So far they have only responded to things I said that could possibly make them look bad in any way shape or form instead of answering this one question. If they have answered it, it was a bunch of mumbo jumbo that I just can't go with and accept as the truth. No good points have been brought up about how it is actually cheating.

Ars, you stated things about person a, b, and c with b being the one who gets torn up . . . . One word . . . . Eberon . . . . . One alliance . . . G-Unit  . . . . . Three alliances . . Space Balls, G-Unit, UEA . . . Ive fought all of these people at the same time and I still managed to finish 5th in that round. Don't feed me that rediculous nonsense about people getting jumped and all that because I have been on the recieving end of a gang rape and I came out triumphant so explain that one.

I know I am far behind on this post because honestly . . i havent paid attention to it, but right now those are my questions and I honestly don't care if I repeat myself or if this has already been addressed. I would like to hear it again.

As for you chicpea . . Just because I disagree with you, doesn't give you the right to speak to me like I am a little child. I have not disrespected you, and true, what your saying isnt directly disrespect but the way I am construing your comments to/about me I am taking as you mocking me. I know your a great person and demand alot of respect but seriously, your a mother or how many children, yet your mocking someone in an online game just for disagreeing with you?

I have an excuse for my actions . . I'm an A-hole . . . Whats your excuse?


(Wow, such verbal violence . . . . Jeez . . . this is incredibly amusing! Thank god for online games! I love being able to say whatever comes to mind without having to think first . . . Puts for a more compelling storyline for the writers to create. I'm still wondering why theres not a story about me being a villan or something.)

You'r amused im still holding my sides from laffing at ur post. If u cant see that transfering creds to the amount they was as cheating then we obviously have different views on that. As for me mocking u lmao

I wasnt mocking u i was being sarcastic obviously u havnt grasped the fact that sarcasm and mocking someone are a seperate issue, if i was to mock u i'd have to stop laffing at how u regaurd my family life any buisness of urs or even relevant to how i type to someone in this game. If i wanted to mock u i would but i dont need to there's enuff people on here doing that already.

Ive never met such a jumped up self-centred person to the extreem u take it before one can only think ur young and have time to mellow out. Stop being so defenseive im sure under all that pent up anger theres a desent person trying to get out.  <------------- not mocking just stating how i preseive u.

I respect u as a player but as a person i have my own views on that.

:)

well, wolfy, I'm glad you admitted you were mistaken somewhat on the whole thing of donation/feeding and all that (FYI, talking about donation is kinda against ToS for mods, so I can't really say anything more on that).

But sorry if what I post seems contradicting to you and all, cause I'm not being, I just don't repost everything I've already said, just sortta add to it. How about we start over on a fresh foot eh? We don't need me and you going at it like I used to with nicholas (15 threads trashed and about 300 posts worth of arguements...ya, it got people pretty mad)

See, Chicpea you still fail to realize the true nature of Nicholas D. Wolfwood.

Let me give you a little history . . . Nicholas D. Wolfwood is a character from the anime Trigun. I like anime which is why I also have the account MP3-228 (Which should be NP3) and Vash The Stampede.

I said DANCE PUPPETS DANCE to prove one point. Everything ive said so far has been jumped on by just about every active commander out there. Nicholas is a nickname of which I have been using as an alias for my roleplaying. My attitude is the same. Its nothing more then roleplaying yet you take it seriously. THAT in and of itself is amusing due to the response my threads bring. Its happened many times.

Laugh all you want at the posts but the fact still remains that you have yet to give a good solid reason as to why you consider it cheating. Could it be that you don't have an answer? Could it be that you are afraid I might prove your theory bunk? I doubt your afraid of someone like me, so why not back up what you say and give reason.

You commented about me arguing to get my ships back, and at least I showed evidence of fault and was made to get peoples votes.

These changes came without a mass vajority of people interested. To be very honest, its too late now but if there was a poll origionally that I could vote no, don't change market limits and still lost .. I would not have been nearly as upset. When I dug down and thought about it, what I truely am pissed off about was that Emi failed to inform people of the changes that COULD have been and allowed the people to vote for the changes. The game is created so people such as me and you can enjoy it. Wouldn't it be best if the people who are meant to enjoy the game get to voice their opinions about how things go? Granted, no we don't need to vote about everything such as new game features, but sudden changes to systems that have been in play for so long? . . . . .

I also still find it odd that, now of all times, transferring credits was a major problem. Why wasn't it a problem before? I am humored that no-one has commented about Eberon being fed credits to attack me repeatedly. The way that was handled was CLEARLY a violation of the TOS but no-one said a word. Now, people were doing it to advance in ranking and get a better position without really hitting anyone that I know of in the top 20 . . and now its a major problem. Why is that?

(You know . . I just thought of something . . . We really should just talk in MSN and deal with it, but isn't posting on the forums more entertaining? We cant fight in game, so why not on the forums?!? INGENIOUS! (Wow, I cant spell))

I dont care if u havnt grown up and stopped playing make believe wot u do is none of my buisness.

The fact remains there was people abusing the market, just because i dont post proof in here does not make the fact that players wasnt abusing/cheating (whatever u want to call it) the game. When u change ur name to Emi and become the owner the game then n only then will i need to prove to u anything as far as im concerened i dont need to prove anything to any other person but Emi and only if asked me too.

So settle petal and step down from that podium uve put urself on.

Just remember my point of view was one of many.

The change has been made so Emi must of thought there was unfair playing going on too.
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yes chic im with you on this one, always and forever. everyone knows it and it bothers just about everyone. thank you to all the people who helped limit the abuse.

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I should have emi change the name of one of my accounts to The Master Puppeteer . . . . .


Oh well. New round is going to start with the new changes already put in . . I'll show you how much I really cared about the market changes when I play the next round from the start. I will show the true skill of Nicholas D. Wolfwood . . .

this topic has no further intrest due to the changes and i am now locking it

Smee :12: