Forum - Space Odyssey MMORPG - a massive free online space game

Okay, this is kind of different but hear me out. Create a legal tribute system, a simple tribute Xcreds to "player Y" and eliminate market PvP trades. Then when the player recieves the creds, they are put in a sort of "holding station" and are automatically dolled out every 24hrs. You only get an amount of creds per day proportional to something about you, like 1bil*commander lever or 10mil*total power or whatever anyone else might think of. This would cut down on the quick 100x jumps of players. It could still happen but it might take 10 days instead of 30sec. This system clearly has flaws but i think it is better than what we have and obviously the numbers are changable.

Oh, and i still what my alliance notice board

well I am one to say if I spend 4 hours creating a super ship for broni or light or lamma or hellsword I what my 2% royalties. I say that the credits go to a reserver bank to insure the ships are actually used for X missions or destroyed by an enemy before you get your credits, thus stoping making 100 buying ships and then selling them just to get a person power jumped.  and also like E said he told me to get my 2% some other way.  Thus I said TH designs are a 10% hull cost up frount now.  so when I get my 10% of 5 quint. you noticed E didnt say I could not do that.  that is not power jumping. that is being paid my 2% since those ships will now be able to be purchased by other comaders and I wont get my 2% from any of them at 70 billion max royalties. We still loose massive amounts of royalties from just 1 ship design. and now there is the 3 royalty limit. if I could I would remove every TH design every made from the gold database but for some reason they show up when cloned even when I have it set to priviate. and I dont get squat for the clones like I should.

what IS the point in that? you make market limited to 2 trades per person for non gold, but in those 2, they can be as high as you want... then in royalties you limit both number of times AND the amount you can get...   :confused:

anyway, ya, as long as there is the possibility to get credits or soemthing off of another account, there will always be the potential to transfer credits.  and you can't have a decent PvP game without being able to get something out of hitting others, so it is really unavoidable.  you might as well just make an official way of doing it, then leave it at that.  besides, having that option is always really cool, especially if the items are going the direction I think they are going  :21:

this has been suggested b4, (multiple times), heres most recent topic on this :
http://forum.spaceo.net/index.php?topic=868.0

Dang, thought i had a new idea. Oh well

I say prevent all transfers from person to person period. It's starting to get out of hand, and it's affecting gameplay quite a bit.

This was meant to be posted in this thread yesterday...
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Sent to Sir Emi,

Excessive Money Transfers

About 10 hours ago, before I went to work, there was someone doing excessive amounts of money transfers, that the amounts being traded far surpassed any logical sale or bought info. They were trading High Tech Scanners, I think, and the amounts were 2.5Trillion Credits for the buy, and the seller was at 25Trillion Credits...

I watched them cycle through those two offers appearing, disappearing, and reappearing about 8 - 10 times over the course of nearly 30 minutes. I would imagine that a player willing to trade this many credits, is willing to transfer more than I saw in my limited time. I would estimate the amount transfered to be 200+ Trillion Credits. Once I pointed out the transfers in chat, many people started watching and speculating on who it might be since, only a few people could even make such trades, requiring very large warehouse space/ mothership segs. After a short time and several more transfers, with most of chat talking about what had happened, the transfers stopped, likely because of all the attention.

I would hope you can investigate this matter, and even though this round is virtually over, perhaps keep them in consideration for next round... as someone willing to go so far as transfering this many credits, is willing to stretch other rules or find other unintended loopholes.

Thanks.
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I truely think that Sir Emi should do away with ALL Independent Market use, it has become far to easy to manipulate the reasoning for transfering undeserved credits, on the bassis of an individual sold a ship, BH info, or hit someone I hated, or walked my dog... I find this defeats the purpose of PLAYING the game, if someone is willing to give another player this much credits, anyone can win if only the sweet talk and befriend the right players, it is no longer about being the best but about being a suck up.

Sponsership of weaker players and friends through loopholes and lack of gamesmanship, will ruin Space Odyssey for many players.

These are my new thoughts and reply...
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Argueing that, your using the independant market to recoup losses to a change in the royalty system, is the same as saying

"I'm bending the rule on royalties and ship sales that was recently changed because I belive it is wrong, I'll use this other loophole to get my due!"  :12:

You are fighting the bad fight here, using a game tool, to defeat the changes that Sir Emi actually made, to control this exact issue... I agree that LEGITAMITE ship designers got screwed in the ship royalty changes, but it has no purpose here, and only goes further to highlite that the changing of hands of credits between players through use of the independant market is violating the rules and hurting the game.

Disabling the independant market changes the ACTUAL market very little, since so few people use independant trading for real goods sales/ buying, it is virtually the sole purpose that ANYONE uses the buy/sell goods to make independant offers to exchange unearned credits, except those few times when a commander tries scamming those distracted commanders working the market too quickly to notice that they just bid on an item set up for thier loss. Both of those latter reasons show plenty that this game can do with out and all the more reason independant market trading isn't needed.

I say again:
ANY way that a person can interact with another person, and gain from it, has a potential to transfer credits or such.

as further example:
planned bounties using easaly killed powerships
capturing empty hulls in a board attack
raid the secret base stash and workers (since workers are so pointless up there anyway)

to actually prevent all ways of transferring credits would essentially kill off the current purpose of Space Odyssey, or at least any real interaction with other people.

I agree that any method can be used to transfer credits... but some methods are of little use to the game and make it FAR too easy to do so. There is no way to cature hulls without risk of loss, there will always be bounties collected on pships (new credits not transfered P2P). I'm not saying those should be eliminated. Raids on base for workers and stash is essential to the game, it is pointless to mention it here.

I'm saying the market just makes cheating TOO easy, get rid of the private bids.

I agree Ducas, getting rid of private bids will make the playing field a little more level and fair.

this is just a other post the same ppl are playing the ball to each other ... u guys say the same in kinda like 10 post at the  time ... u mean by this u become more right?

no, bigbroni, we make more people aware that it IS a problem. you're really starting to get on my nerves. We just want the game to be fair for everyone, that includes those who CAN'T donate.

I can say something becus I dont like it, I can shout I dont like it. And I can just keep shouting and whining about it. If you posted in 8 different topics the same thing you dont need a 9th and 10th time to shout it again.

Broni is not more then a player, who gets sick of reading the same whining over and over again as some ppl think if they complaign long enough they get what they want.

We aren't whining, but when a problem is posted, and the solution is the same, we have every right to repost it. I edited my post, as it was a bit too insulting, and for that I apologize, but bigbroni is still out of line. He has gone through and snapped at every post made by ducas and I on anything that changes the game for him.

We merely want the game to be fair for EVERYONE, golds, donators, and freeplayers, that's it.

Well aslong as you keep naming broni, and adding him to every conspiracy theory you have I do see why he responds to those posts. And I aswell got abit bored reading the same thign over and over again.

So do I, I get bored having to repeat it, but in a different thread where the solution would work, i should be added, because A)someone who hasn't seen it might see it and agree or disagree, and B)it means solving two problems with one stone.

And I only attach bigbroni's name when it is at least plausable (means evidence shows it could happen, but does not mean it is likely, just that it could happen). I do not use names when they couldn't fit. If lightseeker and midnight were the only ones capable of doing such a thing such as the feeding, then I would be on them. But they aren't, and I know lightseeker better then I do bigbroni, and therefore, personally, I see it more likely that bigbroni would then lightseeker. This is on no accounts an accusation against bigbroni. It is my opinion of who is the culprit out of those who we know who could do it and were on at the time. I'm sure Sir Emi is looking into it and the situation will be resolved soon. Since only Sir Emi and the people involved can prove anything, everyone is only speculating, not accusing. You can't accuse a person without evidence pinning them to the crime.

So, for the LAST time, I am NOT accusing anyone of anything, merely stating what could or could not be possible, which I have every right to, and I will not take these attacks from bigbroni. I understand some of them I did deserve, but he has made many against ducas, and some against me that were unfounded, and flat out wrong, rude, and insulting.

Srry I didnt see the attacks against ducas.

But if I get 10 messages were 6 are a direct insult to me I would not react to the other 4 like I would do without the insults in other posts.

I'm not reacting to the others as an attack, but all of his were attacks on us. you attacked me once, and I responded differently to the others.

Anyway, I sent an apology to bigbroni via forum messaging, and I made sure to forward it to Sir Emi, so there is nothing left for him to go on about. From here on out, anything he says is unfounded, as I apologized for insulting him, and explained I was no trying to accuse him of anything.

Luffy, you have to se that some of youre comments could be read as an attack even though it might not have been ment like that.

Yes, that is why I apologized for anything that may have insulted him. I'm not trying to target anyone, but do to differences in language, customs, and countries, what isn't an insult to one person is to another.

Space Odyssey is a game in Development. It changes, sometimes for better other times not so.

If you remember last round galaxy missions sucked... now they are an important component of the game. Some Items are irritating/useless at the moment but we will incorporate them into the system
 :DTrust me, someone will find a use for "mining turns" that someone else is going to find abusive. :D

This game is about power, and knowledge IS power.
Maybe that's why the formulae are not available for all to see....


Modifying the market "stopgaps" a loophole but doesn't solve the problem.

There is an honest necessity for transfers, reasons being:

• succesful bounties
• ships designs
• services rendered (scouting the galaxy and others)
• setting up a commander who has hit a killer fleet/been zeroed?

(this although it sounds reasonable, may not be. A careless twit who insists on hitting fleets beyond his power should probably pay the price  :)))

• others?

Last round Skum put a bounty on me... I was hit, damaged and the hitman got payed: in the spirit of the game
I'm dragging the galaxy, a mate is running out of turns and I find a BH that will allow him to continue in game: in the spirit
I plan a cool stack design and ship ratio that will allow growth with minimized risk, share it: in the spirit
I offer to fortify a commander and set him up to damage someone artificially: sucks
...

So now I generate an advantageous position for someone  :confused: Why can't I profit from it? :confused:
I give you a 10 bill advantage (a legal one of course) and you want to pay me 1 bill. How do you do it?
:2: Force donations?  :21: That if anything makes the game even more skewed = my help has forwarded 2 commanders linearly instead of spreading the advantage out...


IMO The best way to keep things square is to
A. Define acceptable/unacceptable manouvers and price ranges.

Ideas:

• BH: worth upto 10%? of the reward a Gold transport the same size
• Royalties: the full 2% standard and mot more than 5%? in any case

B. Establish an escrow/banking system and impose penalties on offenders:

Ideas

• Fine them proportionaly to the transfer

eg I have a power of 1 bill and transfer 100 mill creds to an 10 mill commander -> I'm fined 10 bill cash

• Freeze turn allocation
• Make a "doomsday" like rule (won't neb for x hours, and no power restriction on attacks) for repeat offenders

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If you outlaw p2p interaction you would have to eliminate the whole game. By imposing restrictions and installing a warranty method you can avoid abuse.

A long "two pennies" worth. Cheers,
PDJ hi

That sounds AWESOME PDJ. I love the fine/penalties idea. Instead of resetting someone, or banning them for making illegal transfers, simply fine them.  :12: