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« on: July 16, 2007, 05:43:32 AM » |
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I have been browsing the forums as of late, reading up on fleet design and building. I've tried my hand at designing ships but i believe i'm still doing a few things wrong. I'm mainly worried about the energy/size/cost. Anyone can give my some advice?
Name: Soulstealer Mk II Credit Cost: 6,401,619,804 Space Total: 4800 (0 left) Energy Total: 2,562,219,432 (0 left) Attack: 294,030,519 Defense: 0 Hitpoints: 121,197,182 Accuracy: 31% Absorb Power: 61% No. Of Weapons: 2 No. Of Computers: 2 No. Of Shields: 4 No. Of Special: 2
EDIT: Added information about individual modules including powercore.
All 'modules' but the powercore are valued less then 10 credits and all 'modules' of the same type are the same statwise
PC's (2) Weight: 8 Energy: 21,853,499 Acc Bonus: 17% Def Bonus: ---
Shields (4) Weight: 8 Energy: 279,628,099 Absorb: 35%
Specials (2) Weight: 8 Energy: 200,000,016 Def % Bonus: --- Defense: --- Hitpoints: +59998605
Weapons (2) Weight: 1 Energy: 500,000,003 Attack: 150015571 Acc: 5%
Powercore Weight: 4734 Energy: 2562219432
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« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2007, 07:01:02 AM » |
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Show us what is doing what, and maybe we can help.
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2007, 07:45:18 AM » |
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I'm a new designer too,so take this with a pinch of salt. from the looks of it you have a ship with 4800 space 6 bill that means you really need to tune your systems. each system should weigh 8 and cost no more than 10 credits. that will lower the cost a LOT. to get the same stats you need to build much bigger ships. seem y thread (Can anyone nice check this design...)and you'll see that I have a much biger ship that costs 1.7 bill per ship and has siilar stats. you aretrying to cram too much into a ship that is MUCH to small. obviously thatcould all be my sheer newbieness talking. EDIT:post the setup of each individual system so we can see where they need tuning. someone tell me I am right, I really want to be right for once.
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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2007, 07:49:54 AM » |
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I'm a new designer too,so take this with a pinch of salt. from the looks of it you have a ship with 4800 space 6 bill that means you really need to tune your systems. each system should weigh 8 and cost no more than 10 credits. that will lower the cost a LOT. to get the same stats you need to build much bigger ships. seem y thread (Can anyone nice check this design...)and you'll see that I have a much biger ship that costs 1.7 bill per ship and has siilar stats. you aretrying to cram too much into a ship that is MUCH to small. obviously thatcould all be my sheer newbieness talking. EDIT: someone tell me I am right, I really want to be right for once. Yes, I have done that. All my non-weapons are weight 8 and cost less than 10 credits I've edited my 1st post displaying the systems
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2007, 08:23:22 AM » |
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and it still costs6bill per ship ?? deffo only 4800 ship space?
is it meant to be a powership or a supership. if we compare stats-
my ship Space-10000000 Attack Defence Hitpoints Crew Level 227,537,512 0 367,694,348 Rookie Attack accuracy Absorb Power SP Power AP Power 94 % 61% 00% 00%
EDIT: even if your powercore takes up all the ship space it costs 6 bil, so that is not below 10?
so for 5bill cheaper I have- 66493007 less attack
BUT 64% more accuracy and over triple the hitpoints.
tbh I cant see where the cost of your ship is coming from, if all systems are 10 or below how does it cost 6 bill per ship??
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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2007, 08:39:58 AM » |
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My guess is the ship space. My ship is many times smaller than your own.
Thro 10 or 20 or even 100 extra space (and weight of powercore) may only result in 200k credit price drop, with a massive ship space, the most expensive part of the ship, the powercore is far less.
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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2007, 08:54:29 AM » |
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somake it bigger
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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2007, 10:01:32 AM » |
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Ya you need to do what Arretu said. It mite be little harder but it is worth it! My ship had 6,000 space/hull and with all my upgrades it comes to 990,020 Credits
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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2007, 10:54:35 AM » |
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if you need a starting point feel free to use mine, although it wont be amazing theres nowt wrong with it gonna start work on a 100mill space ship now
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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2007, 11:26:25 AM » |
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Thanks but no thanks. I'll keep tweaking with my design. Hopefully I can learn more by doing so.
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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2007, 01:01:10 PM » |
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Make your powercore 6405562 space and the energy 2562219521. It will cost 3cr and your "hull cost" will only be a little more than 1bilcr. Obviously, increse the size of the hull to fit . I have to core formula if you want it. it's also somewhere on the forum
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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2007, 02:40:29 AM » |
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I can see many of you dont read even half the post on here. you will find most of the formula in this section. I could care less how much space you have left. we need the size of your ship. if you would have read more of the post here you would have found that 1 ton, weight, space of a ships hull cost 165 credits. you would have also found the formula for powercores over 20 tons to be weight*400-5279= energy at cost 3.
please excuese my rudness but I have been haveing a bad week. but RTFM and the form use the key word search and you will end up finding much of what you are asking about. or you can check on some of the other post and see that many of us have sites up for you to look at and see how to do this stuff if you just click on our names and websites. come commanders have them attached to thier name and avatar, or in thier sigs
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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2007, 04:47:32 AM » |
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yeah, if Gunfighter Frank would show me how to build i could probably learn a lot, but it seems like you are trying to build a type of tinyman design by having majority of the cost in your powercore & with such a low segment count.
Fleet Name Numbers in Fleet Space/Ship Marines Space Left Energy left Sell Ship(s) + Upgrades 0 4800 0 0 0
Attack Defence Hitpoints Crew Level 294030519 0 121197182 Rookie Attack accuracy Absorb Power SP Power AP Power 31 % 62% 00% 00% Installed ship systems:
COMPUTER systems:
Name Weight Sell Price Energy Req Sell Soulstealer Battle Computer-X 8 2 21853499 Soulstealer Battle Computer-Y 8 2 21853499
POWERCORE systems:
Name Weight Sell Price Energy Gen Sell Soulstealer Quantum Core 4734 3.200.413.890 2562219432
SHIELD systems:
Name Weight Sell Price Energy Req Sell Soulstealer Gravity Bubble Lv1 8 2 279628099 Soulstealer Gravity Bubble Lv2 8 2 279628099 Soulstealer Gravity Bubble Lv3 8 2 279628099 Soulstealer Gravity Bubble Lv4 8 2 279628099
SPECIAL systems:
Name Weight Sell Price Energy Req Sell Soulstealer Statis Field 8 1 200000016 Soulstealer Statis Structure 8 1 200000016
WEAPON systems:
Name Weight Sell Price Energy Req Sell Soulstealer X-Hyperspace Gun 1 1 500000003 Soulstealer Y-Hyperspace Gun 1 1 500000003
but even for a tinyman it seems like a bad design to me.
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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2007, 05:15:09 AM » |
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ouch I must ahve misread that I thought it said 4800 space left. but still silver if that is the ship there seems to be something missing to make the cost ramp up to 6 billion. or there is something wrong with teh cost calc.
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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2007, 01:03:40 PM » |
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the cost of the powercore is
POWERCORE DESIGN
System Name Weight Energy Gen Custom Powercore 89 4734 2562219432
This system will cost you 6.400.827.780 credits to put on a ship.
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