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Title: My first designs!
Post by: karma on June 20, 2007, 11:33:39 AM
OK, I made these designs for my pending supership. Comments are appreciated! Also, special thanks to A^Misses^Idiot for help. If these upgrades are horrible, don't blame him, him gave me a solid start, I just suck at this  :6:. So here are my FIRST upgrades!

Custom Armour 2  w:13  $:16.900  hp:1000

comp:ipcomp1   w:13  $:21.500  energy:2500  ACU Bonus:+4  DEF Bonus:+3%

powercore:ippc1     w:36367  $:1.146.200  energy gen:15000000

shield:ipshe1  w:5  $:27.000  abs:+11%  energy:2100

special:ipspe1  w:6  $:31.286  energy:700  DEF Bonus:+3%  Defence:0  Hitpoints:+1000

weapon:ipwea1  w:5  $:32.210  energy:1700  Attack:1000  ACU:30%  SP:0%  AP:0%   

I now realize that everything but the powercore is aimed more at the average upgrade/ hull. 
Thanks,
Karma
        


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: Drackin on June 20, 2007, 12:10:17 PM
ok im gonna give you few veteran tips ok.. i might get in trouble. but oh well.. lol.


first-- no armour.
never settle for a system that costs more than 10 credits.
take cost ships you want and devide it by 165 because that is how much each space cost for the hull.. to for a 10 mill ship you take 10,000,000 / 165 = 60,606. there are more numbers after the decimal but just leave those out.
now you are gonna have 4-5 computers, 5-7 shields, one powercore , one special and one weapon.
as a rule i use 1 space for my weapon and 10 space for my special, and 8 space for shields and computers. also if your not useing swarmers,, there is no need to add defence.
so spend some time on that and show me what you come up with.. ill check back in a day or 2 to check on your progress.


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: karma on June 20, 2007, 04:19:05 PM
ok, thanks mate, will try out the tips, and by 10 creds, do you mean 10.000? :14:


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: Cameron07 on June 20, 2007, 04:23:21 PM
nah he meant 10.. you can always work with the stats to get it real cheap


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: karma on June 20, 2007, 04:28:31 PM
eh, that's like nothing :P ok, i'll try. so it's a lot less than the generic weapon...

ok, found a weapon for 7 creds

STaTS:
Name: nuweapon
Weight: 1         

$: 7

Weight:60

Attack: 1704

ACU: 4%    

SP: 0%    

AP: 0%


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: davey boy on June 20, 2007, 04:43:39 PM
the only tip im giving you is a missus idiot is a her not a him the clue is on the name :))






OK, I made these designs for my pending supership. Comments are appreciated! Also, special thanks to A^Misses^Idiot for help. If these upgrades are horrible, don't blame him, him gave me a solid start, I just suck at this  . So here are my FIRST upgrades!
your words


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: Gunfighter Frank on June 20, 2007, 04:55:56 PM
by the way Drackin is a Teufel Hunden commander and at one time the 2nd in command of the Teufel Hunden.  the Tefeul Hunden make some of the best ships in the game.  Even the worst Teufel Hunden designer is 100% better ship designer than most other ship designers.


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: karma on June 20, 2007, 05:06:49 PM
wow, great to have a bunch of masters reply. I edited my last post, I found a marginally ok weapon for 7 credits, took like half an hour to make!  :sweat :sweat


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: Gunfighter Frank on June 20, 2007, 06:14:36 PM
http://teufelhundenspaceoddysseyhelpsite.piczo.com/?cr=6&rfm=y

this is a link to the Teufel Hunden help site.  you might find more information there on ship building. it is still under construction but the basic formulas are there.


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: davey boy on June 20, 2007, 06:40:42 PM
good to see you back frank


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: djjcuk on June 21, 2007, 05:56:21 AM
OK here are the specs for weight for my systems which i use on my ships. Please Note: no Marines System and no Armour System. They are a waste of time.

Weapon Weight: 1
Special Weight: 8
Shield Weight: 8
Computer Weight: 8
Powercore: The remaining space of your ship once you have made all the systems you want

ALL of the above systems should cost no more than 1 to 10 creds each.

For Example:
You make a ship of 1.000.000 space with 1 weapon (weight: 1), 1 special (weight: 8), 4 shields (combined weight: 32 (4 shields at 8 space each) you can have more shields if you like but after 4 its pretty pointless) and 1 computer (weight: 8 (you can have 2 if you want to really boost your accuracy)) which is a total of (1+8+32+8) 49 weight for all the systems. You now take 49 off of your total ship space (1.000.000 - 49 = 999.951) and you use 999.951 weight on your POWERCORE to get as much energy as possible to put towards your systems.

Ship Space: 1.000.000
Weapon weight: 1
Shields weight: 32
Special weight: 8
Computers weight: 8
Powercore weight: 999.951

As far as weight goes these are the best weights to use for each system.

Hope that helps a bit.... respeckta  :19:


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: karma on June 21, 2007, 08:39:31 AM
thanks for the help, dude ;)


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: karma on June 21, 2007, 01:46:39 PM
My new ship: The screamer!

STATS
Numbers in Fleet:20
Space/Ship:1500    
Marines:0    
Space Left:827
Energy Left:221916
-----------------------------------------------------------
Attack:2435     
Defence:2     
Hitpoints:51     
Crew Level:Rookie    
Attack accuracy:24%    
Absorb Power:07%
SP and AP Power:0

UPGRADES:
screamercomputer w:28 $:3 energy:3665     
screamergen w:599 $:4 gen:234323
screamershield w:8 $:4 energy:3164 (also I used 2 stock shields, Scraps Shield MK13 and 2)
screamerspecial w:20 $:3 energy:1498
screamerweapon w:13 $:5 energy:80

Hope this one turns out better, it raised my rank by about 100!  :14: comments are appreciated
karma     

 


 
 
      


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: Cameron07 on June 21, 2007, 03:39:00 PM
wow... you never need to have left over space or energy..  and like the other guys posted.. your powercore should be most of your weight.. like 99% then shields and all that other stuff should be 8 weight most people use 1 weight for their weapon.. and 6-8 for shields


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: karma on June 21, 2007, 04:40:32 PM
Um, is this a bad thing that I need to change, or is it just abnormal :P?


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: Cameron07 on June 21, 2007, 04:54:39 PM
haha a bad thing..
okay say your space ship is 1500.. which is a very small ship... you want to end up having 0 space left and 0 eng left.. your powercore should be no less than around 1350 weight.. depending on how many systems your putting on.. im not great at designing small ships... but when you have left over space and energy its just wasted cred


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: funkmachine7 on June 22, 2007, 07:47:31 AM
my guns is Weight 60000 but at accuracy 71 % and Attack 11391099 i think it works if i can use it in numbers of 20+.


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: karma on June 22, 2007, 08:37:27 AM
ok, actually, I was thinking about that weight, BUT I was under the impression that I needed to aim for half the weight of the ship  :confused:, so I'll try out all these new designs right now, and improvise later then.


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: blakranger51 on June 22, 2007, 09:58:55 AM
Weapon weight should be 10 for better efficiency.


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: Drackin on June 22, 2007, 01:30:21 PM
wow... dude you need some one on one help lol..just remember to use like 3 shields and like 2 comps the the weapon and the speacial for that size ship.. so now thats 51 space in those systems. now ALLLLLL of the rest of your space should be in the powercore... (make your powercore first)


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: lostedchylde on June 23, 2007, 02:08:36 AM
just to confuse you more - i design weapons(combat wasp launchers) with weights from 850 to 100000 on ships and get +5% acc over a comparable energy 10 weight weapon for the same 3 credits. but thats just my personal thing. using a 1 or 8 or 10 weight is easier. i just like pushing out that extra 5%. i discovered it by modifying an existing weapon and found by increasing the weight i got more acc. and you'll notice that just 1% acc increases cost by millions once you pass the optimum.

                                                                              :spider2:


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: Cameron07 on June 23, 2007, 03:33:48 AM
haha losted your going to make there little brians explode


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: karma on June 23, 2007, 09:23:47 AM
How do I get my swarm bonus?


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: the broken on June 23, 2007, 10:25:27 AM
buy as many ships as it takes until the stats stop going up then you know you have reached the max


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: karma on June 23, 2007, 10:46:08 AM
I have about 1000 in each and there is no swarm bonus tho. Does it just need to be really high?


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: the broken on June 23, 2007, 11:01:52 AM
it depends on the size of the hull if it is small i.e.20 space you need more ships than a 1mill space hull

so if you buy more you should get the swarm bonus


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: karma on June 23, 2007, 11:09:55 AM
k, thanks my hull size i think is like 23


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: Drackin on June 23, 2007, 12:58:16 PM
to be honest .. swarmers are not as effective as they used to be.. just make a bigger ship and buy just one of them and keep like 4 fleet of that one ship. plus doing that will allow you to do higher % misisons without losses


Title: Re: My first designs!
Post by: karma on June 23, 2007, 04:45:41 PM
kk thanks for the info, so about a 30-60 mill ship or hier with teh beast upgrades.... oh Drackin! I beet tchew! finally yes!