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Been playing on wars for a bit now.. and to be perfectly honest I dont agree that people should be allowed to run alts on the wars server. It makes things alot harder for people plodding along enjoying the game.

Person B on bounty list gets wasted by Person A, so Person B decides to get revenge and looks out for person A's stations ect and pops them.... which is fair enough, alls fair in love and war. So Person A decides okay I see person B around im going to attack them make them warp or such if they are near my stations. Person B comes back and pops stations again then sends threatening message, If you mess with this character again ill get my main account and pop you again.... aka meaning he will wipe me out with his main account which has been around alot longer... built up ect ect.

Perhaps crap like this is why people are leaving.... because they are being bullied around by people in the top ranks, they cant advance without stepping on someones alts toes and getting retributions beyond what they can fairly handle. 

ahh shut it... were always going to have alts.. emi decided that when he first made the game

ah nice... but expected as much from you. I left everything without names ect, but you come in mouthing off and flaming.

Fine... and as im sure people have worked out the poster above is the commander in question who sent the threatening mail to me. Something i didnt appreciate, I dont play games to be threatened by powermongering bullies. He has as yet not acted upon his threat but its his attitude that maybe pushing players away from the game. I havent played SO for very long I bought a gold account, Ive played and tried to learn the game from my mistakes, I get hit hard i pick myself up and build up again, frustrating but part of the game I know. One aspect of the game i didnt know about when i signed up to play was that alts were okay ( ofc if you keep them seperated which cameron isnt from threatening with another of his MUCH MORE powerful characters).

It may be an idle threat i dont know but Im pretty sure crap like this ruins the game for many people including me ( i may hang around or not havent decided after this recent event) who have just discovered SO, I think its a great game it takes time to learn and you cant learn everything from a FAQ you have to build up discover from your losses ect. Which i have done to some extent.

Its not alts ruining things its people with camerons attitude with an alt.... and lets be serious most people would have the same attitude as him if they have a vastly superior commander to back them up, alts plain and simple ruin gameplay and make it too tempting for people to fall back on there main when things get rough... or they need that little extra cred or anything of the sort. there are 3 SO servers running ... i have another gold account on SO main too... but seriously Alts are a bane to this type of game enviroment.

SO for me is about competetion and when you give people the advantage to have more than one account in operation you begin stacking the odds in there favour.

rant over

Looks like that's against the ToS to me ...

He should be banned. :-)

Meh, I can say only two things- alts are very much legal, and removing them is impossible. But! Alts are alts, and nobody has a right to retaliate with a main, since its against ToS.

So, presm, suck it up, cam, uh, stop scaring away players, and get back to killing tsai :P

And threats are there to be ignored rtfm ! :P

oh no, i very much have the rights to get his planet cords with my alt then attack it with my main if i choose too, i just cant attack first with alt or scout then attack with main

tz, were u suggesting that a mod be banned?  :wow:

presm, I am friends with many low players, ranked 60-90. is it not the same that one of them would say something like "if u atk me ill get jessiedog to atk you?" its exactly the same.

 :))


Im quite familiar with that threat... but its usually just bluffs... i have see several people on their main accounts threatening others with the "I'll zero you with my main" act.


I disagree with your view on alts... you have no idea how boring it can become in the top ranks, so people make new accounts to enjoy some pvp again. Its basically the same as a Main player starting wars server, they may have experience in attacking and game mechanics but that doesnt mean its unfair for new players.

perhaps it is similar... but its his secondary account which makes it different.

Cameron i dont care take the planet all you want. I came here to discuss something about alts, I named no one I flamed no one at the begining. I only mentioned it was cameron after he posted your shut it ect and i took his  post as arrogance.

But I clearly have proven part of my point with your reply to one of the posts here and i quote

"oh no, i very much have the rights to get his planet cords with my alt then attack it with my main if i choose too, i just cant attack first with alt or scout then attack with main"

alts create an unfair advantage in a competative enviroment like so

yeah mobius I can quite believe it can get boring for you up there, thing is none of you guys are attacking each other ect youve built up and are scared to do anything at all, this is where your boredome stems from, I will attest that yes in some cases alts can be fun and such but if you look at the mechanics of SO it can be abused so easily to create an unfair advantage on others. and turning into the town bully with your top 20 main on lower accounts makes people think wtf is the point. Im never going to make it into the top 20 anyways but I cant have fun at lower level with the threat of people using there main to level me.

OMG

Its not us... its the tinymen. People with better economies can just sit in peace with their near invincible  tinies and super high stabilizers until lower players can catch up and start to put up something resembling a fight...




the training alliance is there for a reason :)

we truce anyone who might be a threat to new players... If they dont want to join its not my problem

No,I meant cam, u can't say that u'll hit with a main if ur alt is under attack.

ya ya can as long as u dont hit with both accounts..... but presm you know nothing about the top ranks.. although many may not be seen on news there is attacks going on everyday to try and unseat the top people

yea... we have been attacking every single day. not all of them are successful, but that doesn't mean there isn't attacking. alts are fun and are only that. as long as they are not abused theres no current reason to ban alts

Ok, as long as u don't have a counter, which u use to guide a main, cos i think it counts as abuse, i may be wrong though.

If a counter is used as a scout to then kill with the main then yes, that is against the TOS... BUT cam said himself that if u attack with both accounts then its against the rules...

i didnt come here to make set blame or say someone was breaching TOS or anything like that guys. I simply wanted a discussion on alts, Cam only got pointed out as the perpetrator because of his first post i took as arrogant and a flame attempt because he was the one the started my thoughts on the subject.


The points i made about alts are that

They bring an unfair advantage to what is a competative enviroment.

The use of an alt can be abused ( example i make 10 alts i scatter them in the galaxy, I then gain a 10x greater chance of finding a particular commander who may not be on intel, 10x better chance of scouting resources for a main account) Because think about it you cant suddenly forget the knowledge you gained with your alt, saying your not gonna use that knowledge and doing it are 2 different things. This may or may not be against TOS, but does it make it right ?

alts are more fun than a main because you dont worry so much about your losses because you have your main account to play and build up.

Alts used in alliances or stealth alts used to gather information that player shouldnt have, not a breach of the TOS by any regard but is it right? I get an alt in an alliance, I then begin using said alt to hit people in an alliances resources with another char, with the information ive gathered.

Big brother syndrome.... If you attack my alt Ill get my main and wipe all your hard work out, because i cant play fair i cant engage in a combat with someone around my own power rating and take a bloody nose from time to time. Or said alt has bounty because its been hitting lower lvl players.

I realise the last point has something to do with tinymen type ships which cost alot for low fleet power. I have an idea for such thingswhich ill post elsewhere.

Overall Im just pointing out Alts are an unfair advantage. and become an even more unfair advantage with higher ranked players at the helm.

constructive arguments either way would be nice. or why alts are fiar in a competative enviroment

People shouldn't use ALTS, period.

Unless your ALT exists for the sole purpose of providing you access to a Training Alliance so you can help people out in their Alliance chat, then you are probably breaching ToS.

If you use an ALT to attack people, whoever they are, they are weakened, and become less of a threat to your main, and potentially they never become a threat to your main because they quit after experienced and skilled players destroy them time and again. Thus in a fashion, any PvP action by an ALT indirectly helps your main. Extrapolate that line of reasoning out to its furthermost extremes and you will agree that ANY and ALL PvP action by an ALT is DIRECTLY helping your main.

Therefore ALTS should be banned, but they probably can't be, and probably will not be. So it boils down to the quality of the player. Any PvP by an ALT is a breach of the ToS, knowingly and deliberately breaching the ToS is cheating. Using ALTS for PvP is cheating, those who do so are cheats.

So, I'll have to agree with Presm. Alts are bad, enough said. All fair and reasonable people will agree.

alts CAN BE bad.

for all u know, i could be someone's alt. or someone you trust could be my alt. the point is that its the same thing as a separate player.

the enemy of my enemy is my friend... if two alliances that are not allied with me start up a war with each other, that PVP helps me in the long run. its the same as what you just described. now if alts TARGET enemies of the main account, i consider that a semi-breach. only semi, because if they were 2 separate players, they could be friends and such like that. basically it all comes down to one thing - either have 1 acct/IP adress, or let alts be.

Ip addresses can be changed easily... or i can go over a friend's house and make an account...

but still, i personally cant change my IP, so it would limit THE MAJORITY of ppl

if they blocked alts nothing would stop me from googling up a program and doing it jess :)



(not that i would)

1 login per IP or only 1 IP per login will not work. I routinely travel, I have used various IP's in the past ... Friends come over or I visit friends ... There was about 10 of us that played from work at one stage, we all had the same IP, or more or less the same IP depending on your level of IT knowledge, and I rarely use the same computer twice to play. :-)

We need to address the problem of why people would play ALT's.

Historically I played an ALT to scout and to fly around when I had run out of turns on my Main.

Amagnon and I soon decided that using ALT's in any way shape or form was cheating, so we stopped. It does give you an edge, but since we were so far ahead of the pack we didn't care. I could still annihilate anyone on the WARS server if I used an ALT ... But what would be the point in that, I cheated to win, and the other person prolly quits ... No point in being the undisputed master of an empty server.

So anyway, I digress.

Why do people use ALT's? Primarily because they run out of turns on their Main. Increase the number of turns available for Mains, and you will reduce peoples ability to maintain effective ALTs ... Increase turns ... That's all .. Proportionally people will need to spend more time burning turns on their Mains to stay competitive, and have less or ZERO time to play ALTs.

What effect would this have?

The new people have more turns to do missions and to catch up to established players.

The older players have some turns left over after research to actually play the game again.

You can ask people to stop cheating, you can try an implement convoluted security measures which would have to become increasingly convoluted over time, or you can just make it unprofitable to play an ALT altogether.

your reasoning is, actually... very well thought

i agree, people use alts when they are bored and out of turns on their real account. im not sure if more turns are the solution, but something along the lines of more time spent on a main...

Yeah this is a good idea. All the people I know with alts the main reason is to bored with main from lack of turns.

Well, I use alts mainly to be in different alliances at the same time to help out, or stuff... but Id welcome more turns :)

Who wouldnt...

This could also increase PVP (among mains of course)

heh... sorry to burst ur guys bubble.. but i highly doubt emi is just going to give us more turns for free

more turns isn't the way to go... its just more time spent on the main so less time spent on the alt...

heres an idea, research takes X amount of minutes, while research is being done, no more tabs or windows can be open on space odyssey. basically since lots of top 60 people spend the majority of turns researching, make research take time to complete.

hmmm.....
Just boosting to 2turns a min would do the trick actually. It might promote more of a chance to hunt players, do research, do encrypts, allowing more of, well...a chance for more things to happen. Doing so might just keep some players in the server.

Emi has to consider this..
maintain status quo = losing long-term players (potential donaters)
or
doing a small change = possibly keeping new players and allowing more pvp for seniors (which in the long run only serves to keep them within range of new players through weakening each other) as well as having a higher chance of pple donating to sustain the fighting.

cheers  :wounded1:

i hate alts personally, but alts will never go away. banning alts wouldn't work at all. the only thing to do is suck it up, and alt that person's ass right back!  :P :wow: